Would you trade John Wall & 3 - 4 1st rounders for Ben Simmons?

He was great as shooter.

He stunk it up as a passer.

Guess what PG main responsibility is supposed to be?

 

Like I said…

Like it or not….he WILL be the back up PG.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Ben lands with the Kings. They have three PGs at the moment. Trading Starfox seems like a very Sacramento thing to do.

 

Simmons hasnt won ****

 

Neither have the Rockets genius.

At least Simmons was just recently on the #1 ranked team in the East last season.

When was the last time Rockets were ranked that high?

 

Who on the Rockets has?

Are you confusing this current Rockets team as world champions?

 

Yeah and he was recently excommunicated from that no 1 team right? So obv they think he hurts them more than helps them.

Rox dont need to rank high in the regular season for the next 3-5 yrs. A bunch of 19 yr olds hasnt won anything ever in the NBA.

 

They dont need to win though they a bunch of 19 yr olds.

My point is Simmons' defense isnt a champion bringer, the Rox arent champions but thats irrelevant as nobody is expecting them to win championships being a bunch of rookies.

 

Every athlete thrives to compete, excel.......win

Who do you like? Embiid? Hasn't won a championship
Jokic? Has won a championship
Harden? Hasn't won a championship
Etc, etc, etc

 

Exactly! Team full of 19 year olds will not win jack.

Need some key vets, preferably an All Star or 2.

Scoot, Wood, Sengun.

Build the team around those players until or IF the other youngsters can be All Star caliber.

Only on CF are there "fans" who disdain adding ELITE proven talent.

For a mystery box.

 

It's above their pay grades.

Bunch of fantasy league individuals that believe they are in some video game
simulation of the board game Monopoly.

And in their version they have the cheat codes where they never go to jail and always pass
go on their way to buying Park Place and Boardwalk. Make believe they skip steps
such as the grind of taking their lumps fighting through the valley of death, A.K.A. NBA
purgatory know as the right seed!!!!!! Oh my!!!!! It's so scary!!!!!!!

They fantasize of going from last to first over night by just snapping their Cheeto
encrusted fingers. Not understanding that players get better by making mistakes
and learning from those said mistakes. Simmons would just help lessening
the embarrassment of possibly 7 turnover nights. Simmons as the Roll-Man
would maximize the young guns potential at an expedited level sooner,
rather than later.
later.

 

But we arent talking about those guys we are talking about Ben Simmons and why a bunch of rookie Rox would need a guy who cant shoot and has entitlement issues. The other poster is saying we need Simmons because defense wins championships, Im just saying Simmons hasnt won **** so thats a false argument.

Whether Harden or Embiid has won a ring is irrelevant, nobody is saying the Rox need to trade for those guys.

 

Idk why people are obsessed with trying to make it into the playin game, who gives a crap. Build up assets, and when the young guys are a bit older, THEN make a trade for a star, not now, especially not for simmons good lord

 

We already appear good enough to be above a top 5 team. That means odds of a top 2-3 pick are going to be slim anyway. Mid lottery picks aren’t typically doing anything for your franchise

 

I don’t agree we’ll be above a top 5 pick, i think we’ll have the worst record most likely and almost certainly bottom 3. Our defense will be last and offense is all teenagers

 

Yes yes.....guys that can shoot. Only players that can shoot win championships.

There is more to basketball than just shooting. Seth Curry shot 45% from 3 in the regular
season last year and 59.6% from 3 during the playoffs last season. Where is his championship?
JJ Redick was a good shooter, where is his championship or championships plural?

Again, there is more to basketball than shooting. Rebounding, blocked shots, deflections, FT's,
fast break points, boxing out, team offense, team defense, individual offense, individual defense,
playing well at home, playing well on the road, injuries, and just flat out luck.

Coaching, Doc Rivers sucks as a coach and when asked how they blew it, decided to throw
his 3rd option under the bus rather than take any blame. A good coach would have scraped
that Post Up-Dunker Spot conflicting crap long ago.

Put their players in the best position possible to win. The crap he ran was destined to fail.
Everyone saw that. Why in the world would you run your 3rd option in a back to the basket
Post Up down two with 3.5 minutes if it was so darn important? That's what Embiid
and Tobias Harris are there for

 

SImmons strikes me as a guy that cares more about living the NBA lifestyle than he does about his actual play on the court. There's also the whispers of his lackluster work ethic which have followed him ever since his days at LSU. I understand the temptation of wanting to add a defensive playmaker with his physical gifts, but I'm extremely concerned when said supposed superstar has so many other glaring holes to his game. Holes that he refuses to work on mind you. Is that the type of veteran presence we want around our young and impressionable core? We have something truly special brewing here with our baby ballers, but it's early days here in Houston.

When the time does come to add a veteran star player it's my hope that said superstar would be someone for our guys to look up to and emulate. Someone with a superstar's level of preparation and with a superstar's routine. Someone that will hold themselves and their teammates accountable. We want guys that are singularly driven on rounding out and polishing their games. Guys that are comfortable with being uncomfortable until it finally clicks and they level up. One needs to embrace that as it's the on;y way to get better and Ben seems to run from it at least up until this point. And I realize he's still young in his own right, but I don't have much faith in his desire to fulfill his tantalizing potential. End of the day I don't want a guy that refuses to get better and that you have to practically force to step up in big moments as that should come rather naturally and from within.

As far as his shooting in concerned it's not as if we're talking about simply being a poor 3 point shooter, but rather someone who is a complete and utter liability on offense. It's so shockingly horrendous that he won't even be aggressive going to the rack despite his physical tools and passing prowess as he's absolutely terrified of having to step up to the line to sink his freebies. That Austrailian booty hole of his starts to pucker. That's not someone you can count on. Like I said he loves the superstar treatment and limelight, but he seems to wilt under the bright lights.

One of the best parts about our unusually young core is the organic chemistry and the brotherly bonds these guys are seemingly forming early on. Throwing a Ben Simmons sized monkey wrench into that equation gives me anxiety.

 

This is where the dichotomy lies; many do not consider Simmons an elite proven talent. Players like Lebron, Giannis, Harden, KD, and Curry are elite proven talent, whereas Simmons is a perfect example of squandered talent. Is Simmons talented? Of course, but he lacks heart, courage, and desire to improve and excel. Some of those players mentioned, started lower on the talent pool than Simmons but actually had the self-respect to do more with their talent. Take Harden for example, went from 6th man to the pinnacle of offensive ability by adding at least one new thing to his arsenal each season in his unrelenting desire to rise to the top. Giannis, same thing. Lebron, same thing. Simmons is at best, a borderline star with delusions of grandeur and that has absolutely no place on a team of highly talented, but still impressionable young players like the Rockets core.

As for your mystery box analogy, it's flawed in my opinion. The allure of a mystery box is that its content could be anything and while you position it as hoping our young players turn out to be a star like Simmons, others like me see them developing into players far superior to Simmons. Could they turn out to be just another Simmons? Sure, but they can and hopefully will turn into MORE than Simmons. THIS is the properly expressed allure of a mystery box situation.

 

I don't trust a player thats dated as many Kardashians as he's made All-NBA teams. Silver gave him a masonic handshake on draft night and Benny Boy seemed content from that day forward. He made it to the top, he can coast on his talent and connections to last him a decade+ in the league.


Compared to the likes of a Chris Paul, James Harden, Nikola Jokic, Jason Kidd, Joel Embiid, even Blake Griffin, who all did their best to develop their strengths and eliminate their weaknesses, turning themselves into one-man force of natures on the court, I don't see the same out of Simmons. He's closer to Jeff Green and Josh Smith than he is to LeBron James.

 

Under Doc, Simmons had his worst season.

His numbers were way down and his role was less defined.

Last season was the first season since becoming an All Star that Simmons was not top 5 in triple doubles. He was still top 10 but for 2 consecutive seasons only Westbrook and Lebron had more trip dubs.

All these athletes are spoiled and focused on their brands as well as high life.

Fashion, cars, mansions and dating Kardashians is not limited to just Simmons. Blake, Harden, Booker, Oubre, Tristan, Odom, etc. all went there too. And even more date models, actresses, singers, etc.

If you had their money and fame, wouldn't you?

A player with Simmons talent is available on the cheap and the Rockets FO have been interested. For good reason.

Whether trade happens or not, not up to us. Stone and his team have shown interest because they actually know **** about the NBA.