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Would you trade John Wall & 3 - 4 1st rounders for Ben Simmons?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Plowman, Sep 20, 2021.

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Would you trade John Wall & 3 - 4 firsts for Ben Simmons?

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  1. hakeem94

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    but we can also bring back melo for the all star experience and lockeroom veteran presence
    melo and benn on this team would do wonders! i dont mind if we give them all our picks
     
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  2. hakeem94

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    isnt Melo also 6-8? now imagine also an additional guy( an allstar!) coming off bench that is also 6-8? amazing!
     
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  3. ApacheWarrior

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    This is exactly right and I believe it is a carryover for Patrick Fertitta dream of a team full
    of ball handlers and facilitators.

    Some asked the reason for Anthony Lamb being the team the other day. Yet another
    of the Patrick dream.....a Royce White cheap knockoff of 5-tool player that can rebound,
    block shots, run the court, dribble, pass. Only thing is Lamb isn't as good as Royce White
    is or was but Lamb doesn't have anxiety when flying or during everyday activities.
    As far as we know.

    Everybody on the current Rockets team is expected to PASS and Dribble as part of
    the Patrick dream. Ability to shoot 3's is also a part of that vision.

    The Silas system from what I gathered from that Mavs team that was the most efficient
    offense in the NBA requires some players as screeners/Roll-Men in Pick-n-Roll.
    In looking at the stats of that team they had high NBA freq and NBA percentile
    as "Ball Handlers" in PnR, same as "Roll-Men" in PnR same as "Slashers/Cutters."

    Even players like Trey Burke and Tim Hardaway jr scored well in frequency and
    NBA percentile as"Slashers/Cutters.". This is why I say Porter at 6'6" and Jalen
    Green at 6'5"-ish are going to do just fine in the Silas system as not only facilitators;
    but as Slashers and Cutters. Because Green was 40% in CnS 3's last season and
    Porter jr was 40.7% in CnS 3's with Cleveland two seasons ago......both
    can play off the ball as other facilitator. Both can slash & be the cutter.... be high
    rising Phi-Slamma-Jamma in your face lob dunkers.

    The Simmons ability to pass would be awesome with other players.

    And to the; but he doesn't shoot 3's whiners. Neither did Willie Cauley-Stein
    or Dwight Powell (shoots like less than 1 per game) or Boban Marjanovic.
    But Silas needs screeners and Roll-Men to make his offense work.
    I've seen Simmons screen and roll much better with Embiid and his
    Post Up happy behind removed from the picture.

    The rule of thumb is, you are defined as a basketball player by what
    position you are defending on the opposite team. Simmons will
    guard PF's and Centers....thus qualifying Simmons as a PF or Center.
    While on offense, people just need to look at him as another offensive
    facilitator. One that be the ball handler in PnR and one that can be
    the screener/Roll-Man in PnR. His FG% 10 feet and in is greater than average
    which makes him o.k. in my book to screen from anywhere. He doesn't take
    shots from beyond 10 feet but the Rockets don't want players taking
    mid-range shots either. That's why we got rid of Melo and want Wall gone.

    Simmons knows to dribble pass it if out of range.....and yes sometimes to
    a fault pass it while near the rim one play during a playoff game. But the
    Sixers would have been outed 4-1 by Trae Young (as Young did that to the
    Knicks previously) if not for Simmons. Sixers never would have seen a game
    7 in that series and for Simmons to make that mistake. But often people
    learn from their mistakes. It's called life.
     
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  4. clos4life

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    Wall of text. Stopped reading at Simmons.
     
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  5. ApacheWarrior

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    More power to you. Had you read on you could have learned something about basketball.

    Stay ignorant about basketball.....makes no nevermind to me.
     
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  6. clos4life

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    Okay Boomer!;)
     
  7. ApacheWarrior

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    You seem like the type that could go on and on reading about Martha Stewart cooking
    recipes and or home economics.
     
  8. clos4life

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    Martha Stewart is for real, ask Snoop!
     
  9. ApacheWarrior

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    I even used small words for you.

    If you want to learn read, if you don't want to learn then don't read.....pretty simple.

    Stick to basket-weaving and making pretty flower arrangements
     
  10. clos4life

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    Okay Boomer! ;)
     
  11. ApacheWarrior

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    I got your boomer hanging

    You might want to call it boomerang....because you want coming back around
    again and again.

    Kids today....buy them books and they eat the pages. Everything on iPad now
    and they probably eating the iPads.
     
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  12. clos4life

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    Okay Boomer! ;)
     
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    This is a nice theory but do you think it's realistic to expect Ben Simmons to play this way? Do you think he would be okay playing this way? I think he has an ego and would demand the ball in his hands, he's not going to play as a screen setting center who doesn't get to dribble the ball. If you could get Simmons to buy into this role I actually agree with you that it would work nicely, but I think that's nothing more than wishful thinking.
     
  15. ApacheWarrior

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    This ball demanding stuff is crazy!!!!! Ben has been letting Embiid USG% was 35.3 and
    Tobias Harris USG% was 23.9 be number 1 and number two options. People need to block
    out salaries and just concentrate on pure basketball plays. Rockets will about 10 players
    making minimal contracts for years to come.

    If Wood wants too much then Simmons is the fall back plan at PF. My guess is that Morey knows
    that Simmons in an open offense is going to flourish, especially in the Silas system.
    That's why he wants 4 first round picks. The team that brings in Simmons will be able
    to flip him for 4 first round picks.

    All of a sudden people are trying to make Simmons out to be Harden in 17/18 at 36.1 USG%
    or in 18/19 when 40.5 USG%.

    Simmons USG% is always around 21.......Eric Gordon was 25.2 USG% last season.

    The Utah game Utah where Simmons set screens all over the court is a small sample size.
    Some chance yes, but that's why I'm going with two first rounds going to the Sixers.
    One for Simmons and one to unload Wall. Sixers need a point guard (Wall) while the Rockets
    need another Big Man that can set screens and roll.

    Do you know the worst play for a guy like Simmons playing the "Dunker Spot?"
    Post Up

    Who favors Post Ups more than the Sixers with Tobias Harris and Embiid?
    Probably no one close

    Every other team favors up pace and open offense. That Utah game also featured
    an up tempo fast pace. Embiid slows the pace to a crawl.

    Edited: Wall was 31.7 USG% last year. The Simmons Wall USG% exchange plus decrease in
    Eric Gordon minutes and USG% provides more touches for Porter/Green
     
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  16. harold bingo

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    Yeah but you're showing me a bunch of stats of a situation that he's demanding out of. A situation where he is on record saying that he's unhappy with it. So you can't really say "look what he did in Philly, this is how he is willing to play" when he is literally demanding off that team because of the way that they played. And it's not just about USG%, I think it's about the role he wants to play.

    Maybe I'm doing too much reading between the lines of all the reports coming out of Philly, but I'll summarize what I have read. Ben Simmons wants out of Philly because he does not think he can play with Joel Embiid, and he doesn't want to play with Embiid, and doesn't think the offense plays to his strengths. He wants, and I quote, to play on a team where "the offense is built around him." To me, that means that he is the point guard, he's the guy with the ball, he's the initiator. I don't think he would consider it to be "a team where the offense is built around him" if the team (Houston) has another point guard who handles the ball, and his job is to run around and set screens so other guys can score.
     
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    Rockets' facilitators have always been able to shoot thereby providing the other facilitator space to operate.

    When Simmons is not facilitating, what is he going to do? He is a liability in a half-court set... unless he is willing to play the Capela role.
     
  18. harold bingo

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    It sounds like that is the vision, Capela but he can dribble and pass.
     
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  19. D-rock

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    Key word in that tweet - all must be able to SWITCH.
     
  20. D-rock

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    The word you are looking for is SCORE.

    Not shoot.

    And rebounding, cutting, getting screens - those are all good too.

    Do not almost average a triple double just twiddling your thumbs.
     

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