Would you trade John Wall & 3 - 4 1st rounders for Ben Simmons?

LOL! 3 picks is the price of a superstar.

If you're paying that for someone who's a net negative in 4th quarters, you're f'ed.

 

Bro what superstar can be had for 3 picks

Got one in mind? Ok, then tell me what superstar can be had for just 3 picks AFTER forcing their team to take John Wall, who is the consensus worst contract in the league.

Jrue Holiday a mere borderline all-star went for 3 first and 2 swaps, RoCo and Aaron Gordon good role players went for 2 first

Reading the homerism on this board is just painful, 3 picks + Wall does not = superstar value, unless you are magically guaranteeing those 3 picks are all #1 overall selections.

 

Maybe he heard how coddled Harden was here and wants the same treatment. And that's the type of player we're going to trade for. Someone even more uncoachable and unwilling to fix very bad flaws to their game.

 

Instead of simmons id rather pay 40 million a year to find the right coach for this team...you aint going nowhere with a meh coaching....

 

I like the direction you are going here .... but the trade isn't feasible.

The fatal flaw is that even if you are waiving or buying out all those players , you have to have a roster spot for each one to land in.. Four extra (Five total , Wall accounting for one) roster spots is all but impossible to clear.


I wonder if Portland would swap Simmons for McCollum ? & you could get OKC involved to absorb McCollum into their cap space if you didn't want to take back much salary & your only goal is clearing Wall's contract. Maxey's $2.6m being the minimum. OKC could flip him later .... NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

 

Those late 1st Round Picks the Rockets could be another Josh Christopher, Usman Garuba, KJ Martin Jr, Kevin Porter Jr. Late in the Draft there are always sleepers.

 

Exactly. The homerism is out of control. Wall put up decent numbers on a team with an abysmal record. Then you have to factor in his lack of efficiency and the fact that his game is predicated on athleticism. Wall has the 19th largest contract in the NBA. Is this current version of Wall a top 20 player? Hell is this current version of Wall a top 50 player?!?!

Clutchfans is better than this. Save the poor basketball analysis for Reddit and Realgm. Morey quit because of Tillman’s meddling, namely forcing the Paul trade….the trade that indirectly led to Wall being here. You’d have to be smoking something strong if you think Morey would consider trading Simmons for a significantly worse player (and bailing out his former boss who he literally ran away from) without AMPLE draft considerations.

Also, we have to consider Embiid in all this. This will likely be the last major move Philly can make before Embiid’s FA. Does anybody realistically think that Philly is a “John Wall” away from a title? That’s what Philly is trying to compete for. They are looking for a player than can help them do that. Houston doesn’t have such a player at this point.

 

Philly is looking at the possibility of subtracting a major piece in Simmons without replacing him at all if he sits out. You can’t waste one of Embiid’s years that way. And in order to rectify that, you have to find a team willing to take on Simmons’ contract while filling some sort of need for Philly. There aren’t going to be a ton of options out there. Wall would probably be a short term fix for them, but it keeps them afloat while they try to find other ways to improve.

 

I was trying to keep both McCollum and Lillard in Portland. I knew there might be some issues on the specifics, and I didn’t realize you had to have the open spots ahead of time.

 

Absolutely do NOT trade for Simmons. Just hold on to Wall if you have to. It's whatever. No need to bring fresh, young, entitled trash to the team.

HARD PASS.

 

The man that coddled Harden is Simmons' GM. Not sure he'd ge that treatement as a Rocket now. And I'm in the camp to not give up any 1st rounders. If that means no Simmons, then **** it.

 

Im one of the few guys who wouldn't be aghast at Simmons on the team, but not at the expense of all those picks. Morey doesn't hold much leverage now that Simmons has said he wouldn't play there again. Wall for Simmons and 1-2 conditional first rounder and some seconds MAYBE, but not FOUR 1st rounders that is pretty steep.

 

If Morey wasn't trying to ask for the impossible, the Sixers could still do better than Wall plus bunch of FRPs. Imo, it would be a trade where both teams lose.

 

Because the coach and star here didn't throw him under the bus when they lost a playoff series.

 

I don't think for a second that the Rockets have real interest in Simmons. I think the focus is doing three things:

-Developing young stars out of Green, KPJ, Sengun, Tate, Wood, etc.
-Setting up this Summer in order to draft another top 3 pick to add to that pool of young star talent.
-Maximize cap space to go get a superstar or multiple all star level talents to add to the young base of talent in 2023.

Trading for Simmons potentially disrupts all three of those things... and in the process doesn't necessarily help you if you do make it to the play-in and playoffs. Unless Philly just gives him away for John Wall straight up, this deal makes zero sense. If you get a sweetheart deal, then maybe you think about bringing him in and adjusting the Rockets 3 point plan.... but it would have to be a freaking amazing deal.

 

i think more along the lines of wall + 3 frp + green for simmons

 

Agreed. As a sweetener, I'd throw in Wood too. Maybe they'll do us a solid and send back a Green (Danny) to replace the Green (Jalen) we're giving them.

 

Wall and a bunch of FRPs was enough for Harden. Beggars can’t be choosers.

 

i don't think mauri would let rookie stone fleece him like that. mauri be playing ps5 while everyone else is playing chess.

 

Yea you're right. Wall, Green, Wood, + 3 FRP for Simmons sounds doable.