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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    So there is a part of the population that is against the vaccine. They support politicians and leaders that are against masks and vaccine requirements. But almost everyone single one of those politicians have had the vaccine and many have even taken additional booster shots.

    They won't publicize that. Why is it good enough for the leaders of the Republican Trump supporting politicians but not for the followers? There are several possible answers, but I don't think any of them are good for the Republican brand.
     
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  2. Gioan Baotixita

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    What kind of gibberish comparison are you trying to make between Fauci and the Republicans? Who cares if Democrats or Republicans endorsed anything medically, they are not the experts.

    Fauci, however was the head guy at that time as well as now. His words carried weight medically so therefore when he’s against or endorsed something, it means a lot to the public.

    Why are you even comparing Bactrim and this Covid vaccine? You believe in this vaccine and that’s your right, I just don’t. As far as Bactrim concerns, another good drug that was maligned back then like they do with Ivermectin now.

    You always cry about not enough research data. There were plenty for Bactrim then as well as there are plenty for Ivermectin now, but if there is a clear agenda against those 2 drugs, what do think those research data are good for?

    You need to read that article again. Fauci was clearly and willfully misbehaving then and now.
     
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    As if endorsements only matter if coming from experts? That would be nice, but unfortunately among people not taking vaccines they aren’t taking their cues from experts.

    Thousands are dead because non-experts with influence have convinced them that vaccines aren’t to be trusted, and that actual experts who know better aren’t to be trusted.
     
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  5. Gioan Baotixita

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    As I stated in previous posts, when it comes to this pandemic we have a trust issue right from the get go. Experts and non experts alike have been spouting bullshiet since day one. Is there any wonder lots of people including myself don’t believe anything coming out of their pie holes and will do the due diligence ourselves?
     
  6. durvasa

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    I don’t know what doing “due diligence ourselves” means. These people, by and large, don’t have the training to understand and interpret scientific studies. When they are brainwashed to think that actual scientific experts aren’t to be trusted, and worse that what they say should be assumed to be wrong, they will inevitably be lead astray by unqualified cranks, media personalities, and politicians. Thousands of unnecessary deaths follow.
     
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    But you can't even tell us where the Japanese government endorsed ivermectin..... what sort of "due diligence" is that?
     
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  8. Gioan Baotixita

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    I have more faith in people’s intelligence than you. It really is simple when you use your God given innate common sense and think for yourself. You come across as an elitist. Thousands of those deaths that you’ve been harping on could be due to the restrictive treatments when they’re hospitalized.

    BTW- if those scientific experts want the people to trust them, the first quality they must have is to be trustworthy. Sorry, they failed
     
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    Look for signs of due diligence in the upcoming posts. I can’t take you seriously dude if you keep calling me that general guy and making me pay his bets. Lol
     
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    Wait..... so you haven't been posting the "due diligence" posts yet?

    You holding out on us? :cool:
     
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  11. durvasa

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    It’s due, overwhelmingly, to them not being vaccinated, largely because they were misinformed and it was beaten into their heads not to trust scientific expertise.

    No need to speculate about some miracle treatment being denied them.
     
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    Dr Mengele lies people died.
     
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    Do you know the specific protocol of treatments that hospitalized patients are receiving at those hospitals?
     
  14. durvasa

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    Do you know what percentage of people dying in hospitals are unvaccinated?
     
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    https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06...-research-at-chinese-lab/?comments=1#comments

    A commenter provides more details/context:

    What species of bat?

    Horseshoe bats (Rhinolphus sp.). One species. They are found worldwide.

    Where were these bats with the close relative found?

    In Mojiang Mine, near Tongguanzhen, Yunnan, southern China in 2013.

    6 miners fell ill with severe COVID-19 like symptoms in 2012, 3 died. Scientists from WIV tested the Mine's bats in 2013 and found many new coronaviruses, one of these was RaTG13. It is not known if the miners' illness was caused by RaTG13, might have been another unknown virus. The viruses they collected were partially genetically sequenced, when RaTG13 showed a partial match with SARS-COV-2, they fully sequenced RaTG13 so they could compare similarities and differences. Rahalkar, M.C. and Bahulikar, R.A., 2020. Lethal pneumonia cases in Mojiang Miners (2012) and the mineshaft could provide important clues to the origin of SARS-CoV-2. Frontiers in public health, 8, p.638.

    How close a "relative" is the "relative" virus?

    RaTG13 shares a 96.2% genetic similarity with SARS-COV-2, the Spike is even more closely related. It's believed the two viruses share a common ancestor that existed 51.71 years (95% CI, 28.11–75.31) or 37.02 years (95% CI, 18.19–55.85) ago, depending on dating method used.

    Wang, H., Pipes, L. and Nielsen, R., 2021. Synonymous mutations and the molecular evolution of SARS-Cov-2 origins. Virus evolution, 7(1), p.veaa098

    Could the difference between the relative and covid 19 be accomplished via genetic engineering?

    Most scientists do not believe so, but a very small vocal minority think RaTG13 (or another virus) was manipulated in a Lab.

    Majority View:
    Garry, R.F., 2021. Early appearance of two distinct genomic lineages of SARS-CoV-2 in different Wuhan wildlife markets suggests SARS-CoV-2 has a natural origin-SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus-Virological. image, 900(1170), p.110.

    Minority View:
    Segreto, R. and Deigin, Y., 2021. The genetic structure of SARS‐CoV‐2 does not rule out a laboratory origin: SARS‐COV‐2 chimeric structure and furin cleavage site might be the result of genetic manipulation. BioEssays, 43(3), p.2000240.

    What was the intended function that was being improved by gain of function?

    Gain of function research involved the creation of pseudo-viruses, these are not able to reproduce. They modified the Spike of the pseudo-viruses to see what genetic changes were needed in order for the spike to attach to human cells, in this case they tested the pseudo-viruses on genetically modified mice with human ACE2 cell receptors. I do not know if RaTG13 was the basis of these pseudo-viruses, it would be interesting to know if it was.

    And the released documents reveal that this research (in collaboration with China) was carried out in the US, in North Carolina at the Baric lab.​
     
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    I watched Joe Rogans portion of his podcast yesterday where he talks about his rare 48 hour Covid experience and then read the comments on his live stream as he’s talking.

    I’m so sick of people defending this guy even here with seemingly well meaning dudes. The guy is dangerous and I’m sorry people don’t see it. I don’t know exactly what CNN got wrong but I do know in theory they were right. The ONLY takeaway from his experience I got was don’t worry about getting Vaxed. Just when you get it hit Covid with some home remedies (which his followers in the comments almost ALL took to be ivermectin) and in 48 hours you’ll be back smoking cigars living the good life.

    What a snake oil salesman douche. He’s smarter than he looks though and seems to know exactly what he’s doing even while trying to claim that he’s some sort of victim of CNN on some sort of technicality.
     
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  17. NewRoxFan

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    The gall of comrade johnson... "heartbreaking" stories of people having to wear masks during a pandemic? How anyone can push out this sort of lie...

     
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    What are you waiting for Aussies? Take it to the streets already like they do in France, Holland, Germany etc....
    When they fukked with your booze, you draw that red line.
     
  20. B-Bob

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    i don't know Rogan, but i do think we should deny monoclonal antibodies to anyone who willfully bypassed available vaccines.

    wonder how many deaths he'll personally chalk up with his edgy vaccine hot takes? Probably more than Ron Johnson.
     
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