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Afghanistan 2021

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Jun 25, 2021.

  1. Surfguy

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    Turns out Biden didn't check his watch during the unloading of dead soldiers ceremony. That was a lie. He checked it once after the ceremony and after all the dead soldiers had been unloaded and departed. You can't believe anything you read any more until it has been fact-checked. F-ing politics. Everything anyone says in reply to any news (myself included) should always be preceded with "If this is true, then...".
     
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  2. SuraGotMadHops

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    Lefty media with the quick "well that has been debunked" attempts at everything negative. The parents of the fallen have straight up said in interviews they saw Biden check his watch repeatedly during the ceremony. One father specifically said that he told his wife "if I see him check his watch one more time . . ." Are the parents lying?
     
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    As someone who has been deep inside military culture, more specifically Marine culture, the vast majority in that circle have a heavy right wing bias and I'm pretty confident those parents would hate Biden no matter what.

    So yes they are most likely lying. This is fairy tail level bs. Biden has the most basic level of self awareness to know not to do that. Let's just pretend that Biden out of nowhere hates military veterans even though nothing in his history would suggest such a thing, even then he wouldn't do that. It's an absurd story.
     
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    I mean are we really going to beat someone up for checking their watch and excuse another person for putting down a gold star family?
     
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  5. SuraGotMadHops

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    Perhaps both of them are a-holes.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    No. There is no history or evidence that Biden has any disdain for service members. Biden at worst is politically correct which means if he does secretly hate service members, he won't show it publicly.

    Trump isn't therefore he will flat out tell you he doesn't respect prisoners of war because he sees them as losers.
     
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    That's what the right loves to do.

    Trump cheats on his taxes and has a nice hotel built in Saudi Arabia - "oh, well he's just trying to keep all his money and who wouldn't do what he does. His taxes are his business"
    Clinton's foundation (which she isn't even on the board of) takes money in from Saudi Arabia to help kids in Africa with blindness - "Clinton Cash! Clinton Cash!" Or they take a flight for a charity event even if they paid for the flight themselves, "Clinton Cash! Clinton Cash!"

    And then when it comes time to vote - "Well they are both equally bad so I might as well vote Trump"
     
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  8. SuraGotMadHops

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    Right, maybe both are bad, but Trump is better at running the country so he gets the edge.
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    Trump is the least policy focused president in our lifetimes. The dude doesn't even understand the concept of pre-existing conditions.

    He is a pure culture wars president who exacerbates the political divides in the country.

    His own defense secretary he appointed literally wrote a letter saying that Trump is the first president of his lifetime that purposefully tries to divide the nation. No, he's horrible at leading the country.
     
  10. MojoMan

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    blinken blinken I've been thinking
    what the heck have you been drinking
    is it whiskey, is it wine
    Oh my gosh its turpentine!
     
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    From what I recall he didn't run anything - he just hung out on his golf course and tweeted.
     
  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Perhaps, but they are not comparable - saying that is excusing the egregious behavior of one....by a small thing from the other.

    Like saying stealing a pack of gum and murder are equal because they are both illegal.

    What Trump did was FAR and away more heinous.....

    Whataboutism 101....is fundamentally a weak stance.

    DD
     
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  14. SuraGotMadHops

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    Tell that to the Dems, who bring up Trump each and every day.
     
  15. SuraGotMadHops

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    Buying into the Trump rhetoric they fed you for 4 years huh? More and more I see how many uninformed voters are out there that don't know how to think for themselves.
     
  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Trump is still relevant to this country, until your party stands up and kicks him out, he will be a topic.

    Don't be so thin skinned you brought up Obama over and over again, and Hillary, so deal with it.

    Trump is a crook and a con man - and it is embarrassing that so many American's overlook a man that lacks integrity.

    DD
     
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  17. SuraGotMadHops

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    Who is the President right now?
     
  18. Nook

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    This was inevitable.... this is what happens in war and it is why we really need to be responsible before invading another nation.

    This same thing happened in Iraq, in Vietnam, in parts of Korea.... it even happened in WWII on both the American and Soviet side.

    People take sides, and people die depending on whether the side they took won or lost.
     
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    LOL... retrumplicans post painfully obvious video and other content (Biden was asleep, military dogs were abandoned, Afghan interpreters were hung off helicopters abandoned by US troops) and then you whine that fact checkers prove it all false. How many pictures of Biden looking at his watch (supposedly) while American caskets were deplaned? And before these... retrumplicans false stated that Biden didn't even go to see the dead Americans coming off the planes.
     
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  20. Nook

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    No the Taliban has not fundamentally changed. They are still extremists relative to the rest of the world. Will they soften their stance on certain issues to remain in long term power? That is possible........ no one magically thinks they are going to be a positive. Having said that, the USA had been there for two whole decades and that was long enough. We did not have the will to do what it would take to completely turn Afghanistan around.... and truth be told, the Taliban is fairly weak as well and they very well could lose power in the region as well.... it isn't really a country in the eyes of most of the people that live there, that isn't how they view government or leadership. It is far more tribal than that.

    The lesson to be learned isn't "Biden withdraw bad" - it is that when we invade an occupy another country there are horrible long term consequences that we better be willing to live with.... and that includes what happens when we ultimately withdraw.
     
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