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Afghanistan 2021

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Jun 25, 2021.

  1. TWS1986

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    No **** right, lol. Yep.
     
  2. ThatBoyNick

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    Where are the libertarians and keep it real republicans who were tired of us wasting tax dollars, our troops lives to stack pockets of the rich

    Where is the dancing and celebration?
     
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    That's what our military has been saying for the past decade, including your beloved Trump.
     
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    "Debating" with you is like debating with a 5 year old.

    WTF does this comment,
    have to do with your previous statement?

    Never mind. Don't bother responding. You're back on ignore.
     
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    The VanityFair article link from your article said OpMED (aka Bureau of Medical Services) is an office created under Obama in 2013. CCR (not to be confused as OpMED as the article implied if you aren't careful with the reading) was the new bureau created under Trump. You can read up more about the concern around CCR creation here: Crisis and Contingency Response Bureau Diplopundit

    It's likely CCR folded and was absorbed back to OpMED. Either way, OpMED is the department that was created in the aftermath of Benghazi and is still standing today.

    Because The National Pulse is new to me, I wanted to check it's bias. It's extreme right according to: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-national-pulse/

    Overall, we rate The National Pulse Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracy theories, affiliation with a known questionable group, and a few failed fact checks.
     
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    So your response to the elimination of a department to be used to avoid another Benghazi and would be helping RIGHT NOW to bring home AMERICANS (not afghans) is comparable to a vote on whether to issue visas to Afghans before this colossal Biden blunder even occurred?
     
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    Oh look, another new alt poster... wonder which trumpster created this new account?
     
  12. dobro1229

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    And it’s not a lie either. The Afghan forced are better than some of our nato allies.

    The difference here is they didn’t fight because deals were made above their heads to surrender and keep peace. Also it’s Afghanistan where there isn’t a unified nation. They operate in tribes and the Kabul government was not really what motivated the Afghan forces. What motivates them is safety and security of their families. That’s why they fight so hard and also the same reason most were likely okay surrendering even though the decision was obviously above their pay grade.
     
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    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-withdraw-afghanistan-chaos-ensuing/

    "So you don't think this could have been handled -- this exit could have been handled better in any way, no mistakes?" Stephanopoulos asked Biden.

    "No, I don't think it could have been handled in a way that, we're gonna go back in hindsight and look -- but the idea that somehow, there's a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuing, I don't know how that happens. I don't know how that happened," Biden replied.

    "So for you, that was always priced into the decision?" Stephanopoulos asked.

    "Yes," Biden replied, but then amended his answer.

    "Now exactly what happened, I've not priced in," he said. "But I knew that they're going to have an enormous -- Look, one of the things we didn't know is what the Taliban would do in terms of trying to keep people from getting out. What they would do. What are they doing now? They're cooperating, letting American citizens get out, American personnel get out, embassies get out, et cetera, but they're having -- we're having some more difficulty having those who helped us when we were in there."

    Biden grew defensive when Stephanopoulos referred to the scenes of distress.

    "We've all seen the pictures. We've seen those hundreds of people packed in a C-17. We've seen Afghans falling --"

    "That was four days ago, five days ago!" Biden interjected.

    "What did you think when you first saw those pictures?" Stephanopoulos asked.

    "What I thought was, we have to gain control of this. We have to move this more quickly. We have to move in a way in which we can take control of that airport. And we did," Biden said.

    The U.S. said late Tuesday it has successfully evacuated 3,200 people from Afghanistan, including all U.S. Embassy personnel, except for a core group of diplomats at the Kabul airport. Officials have said they hope to ramp up to being able to evacuate 9,000 people each day.

    But the U.S. government is not currently providing American citizens in Afghanistan with safe transport to the airport, and it remains unclear how many will be able to safely reach the airport, as Taliban checkpoints continue to harden.

    Despite the reality in Afghanistan, Biden was adamant in defending his decision.

    "When you look at what's happened over the last week, was it a failure of intelligence, planning, execution or judgment?" Stephanopoulos asked.

    "Look, it was a simple choice, George," Biden said. "When you had the government of Afghanistan, the leader of that government, get in a plane and taking off and going to another country; when you saw the significant collapse of the Afghan troops we had trained, up to 300,000 of them, just leaving their equipment and taking off -- that was, you know, I'm not, that's what happened. That's simply what happened. And so the question was, in the beginning, the threshold question was, do we commit to leave within the timeframe we set, do we extend it to Sept. 1, or do we put significantly more troops in?"

    Biden noted that violent attacks in Afghanistan had paused in recent months due to a deal negotiated by the Trump administration with Taliban leaders that was predicated upon an eventual U.S. withdrawal.

    "I hear people say, well you had 2,500 folks in there and nothing was happening. You know, there wasn't any more -- but guess what, the fact was, that the reason that wasn't happening, was the last president negotiated a year earlier that he'd be out by May 1st and that the return, there'd be no attack on American forces. That's what was done. That's why nothing was happening," Biden said.

    "I had a simple choice. If I said, 'we're gonna stay,' then we'd better be prepared to put a whole lot hell of a lot more troops in," he concluded.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-troops-stay-americans-afghanistan-biden-abc-news/

    In an exclusive interview with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos, President Joe Biden said the U.S. is committed to getting every American out of Afghanistan -- even if it means potentially extending the mission beyond his Aug. 31 deadline for a total withdrawal.

    "We've got like 10 to 15,000 Americans in the country right now. Right? And are you committed to making sure that the troops stay until every American who wants to be out is out?" Stephanopoulos asked Biden.

    "Yes," Biden replied.

    The president cautioned that his focus is on completing the mission by Aug. 31, but when pressed by Stephanopoulos, conceded the mission could take longer.

    "So Americans should understand that troops might have to be there beyond Aug. 31st?" Stephanopoulos asked.

    "No," Biden replied. "Americans should understand that we're gonna try to get it done before Aug. 31st."

    "But if we don't," Stephanopoulos said, "the troops will stay --"

    "If -- if we don't," Biden interrupted, "We'll determine at the time who's left."

    "And?" Stephanopoulos asked.

    "And if you're American force -- if there's American citizens left, we're gonna stay to get them all out," Biden said.

    Biden told ABC News that in addition to the 10,000 to 15,000 Americans who need to be evacuated, there are between 50,000 and 65,000 Afghans and their families the U.S. also wants to get out.

    "The commitment holds to get everyone out that, in fact, we can get out and everyone who should come out. And that's the objective. That's what we're doing now. That's the path we're on. And I think we'll get there," Biden said.

    But to do that before the end of the month, Biden said it will require that the ongoing evacuation mission go faster.

    "It depends on where we are and whether we can get -- ramp these numbers up to five to five - 7,000 a day coming out. If that's the case, they'll all be out," the president said.

    "The commitment holds to get everyone out that, in fact, we can get out and everyone who should come out. And that's the objective. That's what we're doing now. That's the path we're on. And I think we'll get there," Biden said.
     
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    All this back and forth makes me wonder if the American people are ready for a legit war.

    And if we aren't, maybe we should not be hyper aggressive about everything we don't care about for more than 20 seconds.
     
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    This is what I said about the rumors of Trump pulling out of our wars. Quit being partisan hack ********ers and be happy for our country that the Afgan **** show is finally over.
     
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    Boebert and Green should just be replaced with one of those bobbing bird toys hitting a giant AGAINST button.
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    Do you remember all those memes right after Biden won that were like "Time for some more wars" by Trump supporters because they were making fun of their perceived view that Biden is more of a warhawk than Trump.

    Good times.
     
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    agree or disagree with them, it was nice to hear a press conference where the people giving it didnt act like childish, belligerent jackasses. reporters asked tough questions and they answered them...they didnt get mad at the press and call them fake news.

    those two guys up there are actual serious, smart, well spoken people...unlike most of our politicians.
     
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