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Afghanistan 2021

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Jun 25, 2021.

  1. astros123

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    The thing is you wonder why the entire media establishment is so pro war. You wonder why both establishments are so pro war and the entire DC elite is war mongers. Nobody in DC was pro pullout over the weekend. Not the fake aoc The answer is this



    They've been funneling hundreds of billions of dollars back into the USA by fake defense contractors while Americans were being told a pack of lies of the ability of the Afghan army. Why should a single American solider fight a single day for this incompetent government?

    The bottom line here is biden pullout was not perfect and he could've done it better but we shouldn't put our troops at harms way for another day in the name of nothing. We need to ask other questions rather then stabbing knives at one another which is what the establishment of both parties want. We're being fooled as Americans
     
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    https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-h...is-role-failed-afghanistan-withdrawal-1619498

    the deal that the Trump administration and Pompeo negotiated back in 2020 with the Taliban, to pull out all U.S. forces.
    the negotiation was between the pompeo and the original founder of Taliban who had had ibeen n prison for more than a decade in Pakistan.
    he was sprung out of prison to be partied to this negotiation, w no Afghan representation​
     
  3. dobro1229

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    I still have no idea why Trumpers think a victory lap bodes well for them. Like how F-ing stupid do you think everyone is??

    -The war was started by Republicans who entrenched America in an occupation forever war.
    -The withdrawal was negotiated by Trump with no real way of backing out which Trump bragged about like a week ago.
     
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    U dun take responsibility if u lose on the scoreboard
     
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  5. Amiga

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    Because Biden royally messed up the implementation of the exit. It doesn't help that he has videos saying there is no way this would happen and then came out blaming everyone (but also took responsibility). He should simply take responsibility and move on. His speech was strong and I get it, but it's 50% Trump-like with the way he blames others (the blames is accurate, but I don't think he should go there).

    As for Trumpers, well, hypocrites that have a hard time with mirrors.
     
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    I guess so. Its like Russell Westbrook throwing shade at Chris Paul for having a low basketball IQ.
     
  7. Invisible Fan

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    Biden is going to get hit for this no matter what he says. That's pretty much a part of his job.

    He's also going to have to take care of the consequences, like making sure the Taliban doesn't radicalize again.
     
  8. Air Langhi

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    They are already radical. There was never a good solution other than stay there forever and thats why every president punted.
     
  9. DonatelloLimestone

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    I'm not sure. trump often does the why is he confesing, no he is bragging thing.

    You can see quote that don't age well of his months later, weeks later, years later and he just throws so much **** just saturates it all so people have become numb to a dude litearlly lying and being wrong verfiably so much that they stop taking it seriously..or half a country will say I want that guy to lead bc he tells it how it is...comical ****

    anyways. Hes bragging that he set motion toe the withdrawal and did it in a way that its too late to stop, he also talks about how he talked to the taliban leader and it was a 'strong call'.lol.
    Sorta how he went in to fix israel-palestine with jared, changed to goal post then called the middle east peace deal just formalizing countries who don't have any hostility to eachother anyway.
    or how he'll have his health care plan in 2 week....about 10 times until he finally just left office without one.

    Biden also executed this terrible, it was still in his watch and he still had power to organized and plan. Trump was the first domnino but both biden and trump deerve some credit for moving things in a very, tough situation. Biden didn't pass along the buck like trump, obama, bush did and made the choice that was bound to have issues but needed to be done. Its a rrare trong move from a biden who doesnt seem to stand much for things in his history. And trump to his credit started the ball rolling, they both didn't plan it right and were short sighted, but then we also sold troops to saudi under trump while bringing others home...he said 'they paid' so its good.
     
  10. astros123

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    Please tell me in detail how you would implement the deal differently. Love please I would love to know
     
  11. Amiga

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    The peace deal or the exit ?
     
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    Tell me how you would have exited the country any differently. Saying that we would evacuate staff before we left isn't an option. By evacuating the embassy before you leave you are surrendering to the Taliban directly. I posted plenty of quotes where Mark milley and others testified in congress how the Afghan army was fully capable of fighting themselves. Biden was told bad info and biden stuck to his guns. The bigger question is how big of a joke the Afghan army was. We paid 90 billion dollars in just combat training like :



    We were always doomed
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...apers/afghanistan-war-confidential-documents/

    they just lied to us...the training ws apparently not workng, they knew, they figured out they werent succeeded in imposing this idea of a country from these random tribes that don't feel loyalty to the country but to their own tribes...a ccentralized govertnmetn or authority in afghanistan with no infrastructure was laughable...

    more than likely, we tried to enjyo some precious minerals...and now sadly, china may help thsemevelves and will no doubt fund/prop taliban if they are compliant.https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/17/tal...y-exploit-rare-earth-metals-analyst-says.html

    so yea...its only goes downhill and we're allready pretty downhill....thanks leadership/politicians....and some people are still defending their votes, but but he only made am istake voting for it....how about we get some new people making the final decisions bc i sure as hellwouldnt hire an executive who ok'd this bullshit.
     
  15. DonatelloLimestone

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    Its not a one side thing...obviously its no surprise to see trump make a short sighted move and move away from the responsiblity of any kindof onslaught...lets not pretend they mean what they say...wasnt he the guy who said hell fix the defict fast and easy bc he 'has a plan' and 'only i can fix it' lol...then when he **** all over that even without a wall, they just made excuses for him

    and don't forget that war was championed by biden...almost like any bombing campaign they can think of as well...its teh entire political sphere that answers and attends to lobbyist from arms dealers and the military industry to take our tax dollars and send it there while saying we can't for infrastructure


    and while you here these guys talk about the people...its quite rich as we over look literall forced abortions, conversion camps currently in china for religion....likewise in burma
    and we're quick to want a war with syria for 'how they treat their people' mean while we have supported and propped up a saudi arabia that makes taliban looks like progressives and even supported their war that has resulted in a forced famine in yemen where women and children are not jusy dying, but by starvation in 2021.....they won't talk abotu compassion on that one, trump even sent troops there as did obama, trump said he did it bc they paid for it...so americans are for sale now..america first!




    this is just repeating itself:https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
     
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    How many americans are dead... missing... or simply trapped in harms way under the Taliban... how did Biden do this? Did his advisers say anything? Clean house. Harris has to be put in charge if not for example purposes.... she is not my fav but we are left with no safer option.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    Do you think Trump releasing 5000 Taliban soldiers last year helped the Taliban or harmed the Taliban in recapturing Afghanistan?
     
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    Dude you are pathetic. Just shut up already.
     
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    Guess what flavor the Taliban are eating! Is it chocolate chocolate chip?
     
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    Do you think Trump releasing 5000 Taliban soldiers last year helped the Taliban or harmed the Taliban in recapturing Afghanistan?
     
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