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Afghanistan 2021

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Jun 25, 2021.

  1. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    you are right

    the dumb politically correct suckers care more about DaBaby making hip hop statements and afraid of offending imaginary people in the parking lot
    than real political issues


     
  2. T_Man

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    I'm not understanding this so please help me out...

    People from California are moving here because their job is relocating them here....

    So please enlighten me on your knowledge...

    T_Man
     
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  3. tinman

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    Google isn't moving their headquarters to Texas

    They do have a giant Avengers Tower they are building in Austin and 'average size' office in Houston Heights.



    Elon is hanging out with @DaDakota eating BBQ with Aaron Franklin
    @Ziggy
     
  4. tinman

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    What's going to happen to this amazing cafe?

     
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    Why didn't we just transfer some Marines from our base in Taiwan - C'mon man.
     
  6. LosPollosHermanos

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    The GF is part afghani and has family members that were refugees (luckily most rescued). The stories they have are horrifying...the rape, abuse, torture... most of who are girls is so depressing. I met one of them and she had her first birthday when she was 16...unable to fathom what it meant.

    Blood on our hands
     
  7. IBTL

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    I knew we had troops in Germany but 35k still?
    Wow..

    I thought we had moved most out after the 90s and fall of Berlin wall
     
  8. HTM

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    Lets bring em all home. Spend that money on our people.
     
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  9. Deckard

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    They can't even lie well.

    Here's a different, short take on the Afghan Catastrophe from Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger. If there's a Republican in Congress that I had to like, it would be Mr. Kinzinger. Below is his view, one that I agree with to a significant degree. I hope it hasn't been posted. There's a link in there, somewhere, where he has a longer statement.

    Congressman and veteran Adam Kinzinger calls out GOP for trying to ‘memory hole’ Trump’s Afghanistan policy

    One of his party’s highest-profile Trump critics, Mr Kinzinger joined the US Air Force in 2003 and flew missions in both Afghanistan and Iraq


    Andrew Naughtie@andrewnaughtie
    11 hours ago

    Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger has hit out at members of his party for trying to present the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan as solely Joe Biden’s fault, warning that “real Americans won’t forget” the Trump administration’s role in the US drawdown in the Middle East.

    Mr Kinzinger, who himself served in both Afghanistan and Iraq as a US air force pilot, has been actively tweeting his feelings about the US’ departure as it unfolds.


    And along with expressing his horror at the scenes playing out in Kabul – including the sight of people apparently falling from an American military plane after holding on to the wheels during takeoff – he has been taking aim at those on the right who are trying to shift the blame.


    Among them is Mike Pompeo, the former secretary of state during the Trump administration who participated in peace talks with the Taliban and boasted that “the deterrence we achieved held during our time”.

    “Sorry man,” Mr Kinzinger responded. “We told you this wouldn’t work… you didn’t listen”.

    And as the Republican Party deleted a web page trumpeting the former president’s plan to pull out of Afghanistan, the congressman wrote: “Trump can’t memory hole this. Real Americans won’t forget.”

    Other targets have included GOP Senator Rand Paul, former Trump staffer Dan Scavino, and far-right congresswoman Lauren Boebert, whom he said “owns this too” because of her calls for a military withdrawal, as well as his party at large after the direction taken by the Trump administration in its last phase.

    However, Mr Kinzinger also directed plenty of ire at the Biden administration, insisting that it is just as much a part of the current disaster as its precursor – agreeing with his anti-Trump colleague Liz Cheney, who called the fall of Afghanistan and Kabul “the Trump/Biden calamity” that “began with the Trump administration negotiating with terrorists and pretending they were partners for peace”.

    In a longer statement issued as Kabul fell to the Taliban, Mr Kinzinger made his feelings plain in more detail.


    “The Taliban has always said that America has the watches, but they have the time. Under both President Trump and President Biden, the US announced that our time in Afghanistan is over, effectively letting the Taliban know they were right, they could simply out-wait us. And today, we watched as the Afghan government collapsed and the Taliban regained full control.

    “This is the result of a shortsighted, weak, and utter failure of both the previous White House and the current administration. The naïve Trump administration legitimised the Taliban by having ‘talks’ with them about peace and openly negotiating with terrorists, while the Biden administration tried to fulfill a campaign promise without any semblance of a plan or forethought into how this would play out. And where are they now? What are they doing to save the countless lives being brutally murdered by the Taliban today?

    “This is a disaster, and a stain on the entire nation.”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nzinger-trump-biden-afghanistan-b1903281.html
     
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  10. T_Man

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    America has pissed off every country and nation out there... so not understanding "the blood on our hands statement" we have pissed off Iran, Iraq, Vietnam and etc... all depends on who's in charge dems or repubs...

    There was no happy ending or happy conclusion with this war... Yes just like Vietnam...

    I'm glad Biden did what he did and I'm happy my brothers and sisters are coming home... just amazing to me how many of you are talking about WE should have stayed there, when 90٪ of you are not or have never been in the military and on top of that living in that situation...

    T_Man
     
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    Nobody is saying we should have stayed their indefinitely...they're talking about doing it in a calculated manner and not without a strategy because lets be honest, private meetings with the taliban and ******** on the faces of people that supported us there is not something that was coordinated and smart. Its not mutually exclusive with bringing our troops back. As @SamFisher pointed out we have troops elsewhere as well.
     
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  12. tinman

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    We didn’t start the fire ..
     
  13. T_Man

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    Please explain to me this calculated manner...

    So we have 2500 troop there...

    So let's we move 500 out... so do we do remove 500 more in 3 months, 6 months, 9 months?

    Every time you remove troops the ones left behind are in more danger... so now what do we do, send more troops to protect them...

    This was a no win situation.... I love how you're trying to be practical, but trust me on this... it's no fun being in a combat situation where the odds are against you..

    T_Man
     
  14. LosPollosHermanos

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    Being practical? We made a ****ing deal with them and they knew we were leaving it doesn’t matter how many people we had there. We owe it to the people that gave their lives and risked everything to help us out. We left them for slaughter at the alter. Coordinated withdrawal to mitigate what’s going on right now would have been best. You can’t look at it and go “this was gonna happen all along”. How you do something matters
     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    Except we've temporarily increased forces anyway.
     
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  16. T_Man

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    So before you get on your high horse I was one of them that was hurt over there and there word and our word don't mean a damn thing... each side has been lying for a long time...

    This entire situation was a FUBAR and the minute politicians are involved it gets worst than that... For years they have been talking about pulling the troops out and before you know they are sending more over there and the troops are still there...

    T_Man
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    We already sent in 6,000 more troops to prevent the Kabul airport from being overrun. A retreat is always difficult and providing a rearguard to secure routes of escape is usually vital to a successful retreat. For example while British merchant marine are celebrated at Dunkirk it still wouldn't have happened without French and Belgium troops providing a rearguard.

    Yes this was going to be a cluster but airports could've been secured ahead of time. Instead we're seeing a frantic effort to secure the Kabul airport after most of the country as fallen.
     
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  18. rocketsjudoka

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    Keep in mind US forces in Germany aren't all specifically there to safeguard Germany. There is a lot of military infrastructure built up there and in many ways Germany was a staging and recovery area for Iraq and Afghanistan.
     
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    I missed the game, did we win?
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    Ironically our relationship with Vietnam recently has been good especially as Vietnamese tensions with the PRC heated up.
     

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