I listened to Biden's speech and will give him credit for owning this and forcefully laying out the case for withdrawing. He still though refused to take accountability and deflected blame. Now he is right that the Afghan military and leadership was a complete failure but from many many sources were saying this was going to happen. That just recently he was still saying that the Afghan government could survive and that there was no chance we would see helicopters lifting people off roofs he was either being willfully ignorant or dangerously misinformed. Neither which is good. It's obvious there was little political support for remaining in Afghanistan that said a rushed withdrawal with the awareness that the Afghan military was going to collapse is a big mistake. Whether Biden acknowledges that history will look back on this as a collapse as bad as Saigon.
Ya the ones who can't afford it. I don't think you understand how your point doesn't really say much about the demand of property. Yes people are moving to Texas from Cali BECAUSE the demand for property is so high in Cali. There are other factors for the increased price of housing in Cali but they aren't because of the reasons conservatives believe. For example a lack of taxes not too much taxation is one of the causes. Prop 13 in the 70s locked property tax values for at the time current home owners. So when the values of property skyrocketed over the past 50 years, the property tax was locked in at the same value as when they originally bought the property. This resulted in artificially raising the perceived value of homes in Cali because current homeowners want to keep their current homes because they don't want to lose their property tax rate. Prop 13 basically created a positive feedback loop where increased value of homes results in owners being more reluctant to sell their homes because they want to keep their property tax rates even more increasing the value of their homes even further.
Trump isn't blameless but this mostly on Biden. While he still could've withdrawn he wasn't locked into the timetable and certainly not how the withdrawal could've been done. This could've been drawn out longer with a temporary increase in forces like what we see now to secure key installations such as the airports and border crossings to get our people and material out orderly while getting more Afghans out. The Taliban would've taken over anyway but it would've given time to save more people.
Question for you when would have been a good time? How could Biden have withdrawn without it being a disaster??? This entire ordeal was a cluster from Day 1... No matter what or how this was a FUBAR.... Hopefully next time these so called leaders in this country will think about all the consequences.... As long as they or their family is affected, they don't care.... T_Man
Trust me I understand quite a but about California considering 4 of my close friends live there. 3 in Orange County and one on San Diego. They have no intention of leaving but if you think it's only people who can't afford it you're extremely mistaken I do agree with some of your other reasoning as well. Lot's of people are tired f how it's being run (especially sick of Newsome). There just isn't another viable option which is unfortunate
It's exactly because people can't afford it. People don't move entire states leaving most of everything they know because of some ideological disagreements. How many liberals in Texas are moving because if a right wing government? People move because of jobs and cost of living. At least for the middle class who can't afford the luxury of chosing where they live based on nice weather and scenery. We know that jobs aren't an issue in Cali. Cali has one of the most prominent and vibrant tech sectors on the planet. Plenty of jobs for professional middle class workers. So ya it's cost of living. The amount of people who leave California outside of some new job opportunity or cost of living is few and far between.
Where did that trillion dollars go? Lots of solid middle class jobs are going to be lost. There are dividends to be reaped if you can convince the world the Taliban are terrorist.
Let's dump a lot of money on a actual crisis called Climate Change and spend money to solve that and create middle class jobs also and at the same time actually improve the energy independence and help the environment even if you don't believe in the full effects of man on the climate and our ability to reverse some of the process at least so we don't achieve the worst case scenario. The problem with climate change kept unchecked is that many of the systems that dictate temperature changes globally have positive feedback loops as in increase temperatures causes some sort of event and that event also accelerates temperature increase. So the progression of climate change has potential to be a runaway system with exponential rate of change.
100% agree. Unfortunately our country is still filled with warhawks in Congress. We are slowly making progress
And yet Californians flooding to Texas by the tens of thousands every year. Elon musk is moving his factory to Austin Texas as are google headquarters
Dude, no one gives a **** about Texas outside of Texas. And California migration is a ultimately a myth. For its lousy taxes, California has better people, jobs, and weather. People are however going to Florida. https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/California-exodus-is-just-a-myth-massive-UC-16301134.php
What will happen to the theatrical release of Black Widow in Kabul??? Damn, Scarlett Johansen getting screwed like she fell off a cliff on Vormir @rocketsjudoka
VC’s will still stick their nose up if they see your startup is HQ’d outside of Cali. Mainly because of the talent that’s in the state. Covid and working remotely has helped with that though.
Afghanistan Is Your Fault - The Atlantic The American public now has what it wanted. By Tom Nichols Kabul has fallen. Americans will now exercise their usual partisan outrage for a few weeks, and then Afghanistan, like everything else in a nation with an attention span not much longer than a fast-food commercial, will be forgotten. In the meantime, American citizens will separate into their usual camps and identify all of the obvious causes and culprits except for one: themselves. Many Americans will bristle at the idea that this defeat overseas can be laid at their feet. When U.S. forces had to endure the misery of the retreat from North Korea back to the 38th parallel, no one made the argument that it had happened because of the voters. No one turned to the American people during the fall of Saigon and said, “This is on you.” So why would I do that now? Much of what happened in Korea and Vietnam—ultimately constituting a tie and a loss, if we are to be accurate—was beyond the control of the American public. Boys were drafted and sent into battle, sometimes in missions never intended to be revealed to the public. Afghanistan was different. This was a war that was immensely popular at the outset and mostly conducted in full view of the American public. The problem was that, once the initial euphoria wore off, the public wasn’t much interested in it. Coverage in print media remained solid, but cable-news coverage of Afghanistan dropped off quickly, especially once a new adventure was launched in Iraq. In post-2001 America, it became fashionable to speak of “war weariness,” but citizens who were not in the military or part of a military family or community did not have to endure even minor inconveniences, much less shoulder major burdens such as a draft, a war tax, or resource shortages. The soldiers who served overseas in those first years of major operations soon felt forgotten. “America’s not at war” was a common refrain among the troops. “We’re at war. America’s at the mall.” And now those same Americans have the full withdrawal from Afghanistan they apparently want: Some 70 percent of the public supports a pullout. Not that they care that intensely about it; as the foreign-policy scholar Stephen Biddle recently observed, the war is practically an afterthought in U.S. politics. “You would need an electron microscope to detect the effect of Afghanistan on any congressional race in the last decade,” Biddle said early this year. “It’s been invisible.” But Presidents Obama, Trump, and Biden all ran on getting out of the war, and now we’re out. What the public does care about, however, is using Afghanistan as raw material for cheap patriotism and partisan attacks (some right and some wrong, but few of them in good faith) on every president since 2001. After the worst attack on U.S. soil, Americans had no real interest in adult conversation about the reality of anti-terrorist operations in so harsh an environment as Afghanistan (which might have entailed a presence there long beyond 20 years), nor did they want to think about whether “draining the swamp” and modernizing and developing Afghanistan (which would mean a lot more than a few elections) was worth the cost and effort. Maybe it would have been worth it. Or maybe such a project was impossible. We’ll never know for certain, because American political and military leaders only tried pieces of several strategies, never a coherent whole, mostly to keep the costs and casualties down and to keep the war off the front pages and away from a public that didn’t want to hear about it. Today, many claim that they did not know what the military or the government were really up to, and they point to The Washington Post’s attempt to create a Pentagon Papers vibe around a set of revelations that were not nearly as shocking as the secrets of Vietnam—or should not have been, anyway, to anyone who read a newspaper during the past two decades. Nor did Americans ever consider whether or when Afghanistan, as a source of terrorist threats to the U.S., had been effectively neutralized. Nothing is perfect, and risks are never zero. But there was no time at which we all decided that “close enough” was good enough, and that we’d rather come home than stay. Obama made something like this case during the 2011 surge, and Donald Trump tried to make a similar argument, but because Trump was too stupid or too lazy to understand anything about international affairs (or much else), he made it purely as a weaponized political charge and, as with his inane attempts to engage North Korea, in a search for a splashy and quick win. Biden’s policy, of course, is not that different from Trump’s, despite all the partisan howling about it from Republicans. As my colleague David Frum has put it: “For good or ill, the Biden policy on Afghanistan is the same as the Trump policy, only with less lying.” But as comforting as it would be to blame Obama and Trump, we must look inward and admit that we told our elected leaders—of both parties—that they were facing a no-win political test. If they chose to leave, they would be cowards who abandoned Afghanistan. If they chose to stay, they were warmongers intent on pursuing “forever war.” And so here we are, in the place we were destined to be: resting on 20 years of safety from another 9/11, but with Afghanistan again in the hands of the Taliban. A serious people—the kind of people we once were—would have made serious choices, long before this current debacle was upon them. They would today be trying to learn something from nearly 2,500 dead service members and many more wounded. They would be grimly assessing risk and preparing both overseas and at home for the reality of a terrorist nation making its way back onto the international map. Instead, we’re bickering about masks. We’re holding super-spreader events. We’re complaining and finger-pointing about who ruined our fall plans. (I’m part of that last group. Spoiler: It’s the people who refused easily accessible vaccinations.) Biden was right, in the end, to bite the bullet and refuse to pass this conflict on to yet another president. His execution of this resolve, however, looks to be a tragic and shameful mess and will likely be a case study in policy schools for years to come. But there was no version of “Stop the forever war” that didn’t end with the fall of Kabul. We believed otherwise, as a nation, because we wanted to believe it. And because we had shopping to do and television to watch and arguments to be had on social media. But before we move on, before we head back to the mall, before we resume posting memes, and before we return to bickering with each other about whether we should have to mask up at Starbucks, let us remember that this day came about for one reason, and one reason only. Because it is what we wanted.
