What 99% data? The mRNA vaccines were around 95% effective (or 20x less likely than unvaccinated to get infected) early on. It's around 84% now, I think.
Arkansas judge blocks state from enforcing mask mandate ban - ABC News (go.com) LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- An Arkansas judge on Friday temporarily blocked the state from enforcing its ban on mask mandates after lawmakers left the prohibition in place despite a rising number of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations. Pulaski County Circuit Judge Tim Fox issued a preliminary injunction against the law that Gov. Asa Hutchinson signed in April banning mask requirements by governmental entities. The ban was being challenged by two lawsuits, including one from an east Arkansas school district where more than 900 staff and students are quarantining because of a coronavirus outbreak.
Yeah I mean it’s challenging to get good data frequently on it, and you keep seeing headlines about how almost all patients hospitalized or dead are unvaccinated. Often that number is 95 to 99%. We just need better data sources to watch because these stories are going to seem dishonest in the near future and I don’t want to give the right talking points at the moment. If you’re vaccinated my opinion is you need to protect yourself during waves like the one we are in now. Lots of people walking around like they have a suit of steel armor on in a nerf gun war. I’m not going to convince my antivax friends to finally get it if they have the ability to say that the Dems are lying and the vaccines don’t really work.
Once 100% are vaccinated, all infection, hospitalization, and death will be among vaccinated. Vaccines are hugely protective but aren't 100% effective (no vaccines are). I don't know where the near 100% protection comes from. It never was. Maybe if you round it up and generalize, you can say that. In reality, there are different levels of protection for different age groups. Perhaps it's better for media to be communicating reduction in chances. As for politic and talking points, there is always something. See Obama party as the latest.
Hmmm — what is that number for people who haven’t received a vaccine? I assume it’s less, but still well above 99 percent.
And yet, we have elected republican officials spreading criminally dangerous false statements like this...
@dobro1229 this is a good example of rounding with wrong context. The article said this: "As of Aug. 2, more than 164 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19, according to the CDC. Fewer than 0.001% of those individuals — 1,507 people — died and fewer than 0.005% — 7,101 people — were hospitalized with Covid-19" That's still 1507 death and 7101 hospitalized. But the context here is wrong in that not everyone was exposed, thus it's not an actual measurement of protection. And of course, if you are around the 1507 or 7101 #, it looks to you like it was such a failure. These # are kind of meaningless.
I believe they use the term "breakthrough" as cases requiring hospitalization or death. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/31/heal...breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html I know it doesn't say "x% of non-vaccinated people get breakthrough cases" but it does suggest unvaccinated people are way more likely to become breakthrough cases. Does this address your question?
My sister (in the field of germs and viruses) keeps telling our parent since they were vaccinated back in Feb, you still need to mask and be careful knowing that their immune system at their age isn't great, that some people body doesn't establish strong immunization (natural or vaccinated), that new variants might increase the risk of infection. And they do because they live in a state with low vaccination rate and their work involves interacting with customers daily. I'm more of, hey, yea, be careful and wear a mask. Easy stuff. I don't do it myself because I'm much younger. But of course, that's when the spread was minimum. Now, it's a different story. Hopefully, this surge will quickly die off like it did in other countries.
My question was what percentage of people who are unvaccinated have been hospitalized or died due to COVID, let’s say since vaccinations became widely available in April. It would be approximately .95 times hospitalizations/deaths (since April) divided by number of unvaccinated people, I think. I’m also curious, of those in the .01% who were hospitalized or died, if the vaccine they got was a factor (e.g, was disproportionate number not mRNA)?
Indeed. For him to post as he did really highlights how vexing this whole situation is for a lot of us.
