We don’t know yet the extent to which the vaccinations reduce spread for Delta, relative to unvaccinated persons. What we do know is that vaccinated people can spread it, i.e., it doesn’t prevent spread. Hence the revised masking and and distancing recommendations.
Scientist aren’t allowed to adjust their guidance based on data. They need to make a decision and stick to it like Jesus would have!!
That's 99% correct but not 100%. It was never established conclusively that there was no spread with Alpha. As I said, there were very few breakthrough infections and spread with Alpha. There is some more with Delta, but it's still not common. The main point is that doesn't come close to comparing to infection and spread among unvaccinated.
Do we even know enough to say it’s uncommon with Delta? Sure, a small number of vaccinated persons report breakthrough infections, but many people have asymptomatic infections that are never found out?
With Delta, vaccinated gets infected much less than unvaccinated. That itself means less spread. Once infected, they have similar viral load (CDC and others). What the CDC doesn't say is for how long. In vaccinated, that viral load decrease much more rapidly (why symptoms are usually mild) than in unvaccinated. So, they get infected less, and once infected, vaccinated reduces the viral load quickly - which overall is why spread is much less in a typical vaccinated person compared to an unvaccinated person.
Flaunting yer fancy liberal college lernins with Greek frat letters agin. Viris is viris. Take a Tylenol, down it with a cold one, and walk off that sniffles, ya wuss!!
I think we do have good enough clues to strongly suggest that. UK or Israel, I can't remember, tested everyone in a particular place and they were able to catch infection with no or very mild symptoms as well. I think we can say, it was rare to have breakthrough infection with Alpha. It's no longer rare with Delta, but data so far doesn't suggest it's common.
Here Are The Republicans Most Likely To Refuse The Covid-19 Vaccine, Poll Finds https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...-covid-19-vaccine-poll-finds/?sh=45289139735f
Also **** the FDA for dragging its feet on authorizing vaccines for kids under 12. SCHOOL IS ABOUT TO START. THere is no evidence so far that it's not safe for kids. This is a ****ing emergency. Being extra cautious because of antivax karens is a huge mistake that will kill more kids than nonexistent vaccine side effects.
McConnell aims to boost U.S. Republican vaccination rate by countering 'bad advice' https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mc...st-us-republican-vaccination-rate-2021-07-28/ Need, I go on? Plenty more to post...
I'm all for the FDA taking its sweet time for approving a treatment that wasn't designed for kids and making sure it works with kids. It's an inconvenient headache, but that definitely shouldnt be the main driver to greenlight it.
Wouldn't it be better to confirm that it is safe for kids? I am not anti vax but covid isn't affecting kids like adults.
My point (and you know this) is that there are large subsets of people who haven't taken the vaccine that do not identify as republican(or political at all).
Sure there are other subsets of people not getting vaccinated (the second article even pointed out such subgroups). But if you are at all honest, you have to acknowledge the significant political basis for a a large number of people not getting vaccinated. People who have been fed misinformation from news sources and political leaders. And you have to be honest to acknowledge those have been overwhelmingly republican.
I was shocked that two couples who had had the Pfizer vaccine at least 3 months before - one couple in their 30's with two young daughters, with the wife a good friend of my S.O., and the other in their 60's that we've known for about 30 years, who both have preexisting conditions making Covid-19 particularly dangerous for both, got "breakthrough" infections from what has to be the Delta variant, and were all tested positive for Covid. That really stunned us both as we thought that "breakthrough" infections was very rare, and made us look at the current Covid situation in an entirely different light. We had been eating in restaurants again, only taking off our masks at the table, as well as shopping while wearing masks, and feeling comfortable doing so. No longer.
Friends of ours are vaccinated and on day 11 still feeling pretty awful. Especially the wife who is pregnant. It seems likely this’ll be more like the seasonal flu than your normal SARS virus where vaccine or not, every year or wave there’s still a chance to get it. The 99% data just doesn’t seem like what I’m seeing and hearing. I think we are going to see more like 70% effective in the long run which will give antivaxers talking points but still par for what we normally see with a virus that mutates this much. Masking just needs to be a way of life moving forward. At least seasonal and in crowded settings. I’m really disappointed that people just have to act so too cool for school with it. I don’t know why people feel the need to talk 2 feet from your face blowing their misty germs all over you.
