Shams - Philly offered Simmons/Thybulle + draft compensation. Did we make the right deal?

Taking the picks did not yield #2 pick. LOSING HARDEN DID THAT.

What kind of ass backwards alternate reality narrative are you pushing now????

 

Sure it did….Losing Harden and receiving a package for harden are cause and effect. We picked the draft picks package instead of the blue chip player package. Losing Harden for the picks and not Simmons/whatever headliner is what caused us to be so bad.

 

It was the Rockets OWN pick that netted 2nd overall, NOT the Nets picks.

And are you really saying that ANY Harden trade, except for the Nets, would not have received draft picks???

Seriously, what stupidity are you peddling now?

It was the loss of Harden that directly resulted in the 2nd overall pick, not the Nets picks.

This is irrefutable.

Take the L on this.

 

Team building is holistic.

Stone chose a path that would be more likely to yield things like the no 2 pick or give us chances to develop undervalued talent like kpj.

It’s all part of the same web

 

Critical thinking is tough for you… or you try so hard to play gotcha….

Just try and think about it critically…. Are we more likely to get a high draft pick with a package centered around Simmons, Jaylon Brown, Michael Porter, etc?

 

Thank you bro I see this all day on Twitter. Boys using the butterfly effect lol. Same with kpj. That was not part of the harden trade

 

Huh? A big part of the harden trade (to me) was to be as bad as possible this season to get a top 4 pick, which we did. Simmons would’ve ruined that which is one of the many reasons i wanted the nets package and to avoid getting any good players back

 

Moving goal posts now?

What you said was flat wrong. Nets picks had nothing to do with Rockets 2nd pick overall.

Admit you misspoke.

 

Them why trade Victor for kelly? And your claim to fame for a top 5 guy can't be well we got the worst record, on pick you had a 50percebt chance of losing lol.you could of traded him for a up and coming Young guy...like okc did with Shai. They still sucked plus got a guy they know one day will be a allstar

 

This poster specifically said it was the Nets pick that netted Rockets 2nd overall pick. Not the Nets trade.

This poster loves to posit alternate realities as truth.

And no one knows if Simmons would have been good enough to negate Wall's tank commander impact. Certainly his lack of offensive versility would have been a hindrance.

Or even if Rockets flip Simmons for more picks.

Or if Rockets win the percentage odds and draw a top 3 pick even with Simmons.

None of his BD is real, just HIS guesses.

That poster loves his hypotheticals, but stating it as FACT is ludicrous.

 

Sure, but you want to maximize your odds. Odds of top 4 pick with the team we had after harden trade > odds of top 4 pick with simmons. Not sure how anyone can argue that

 

Stone likely trades Simmons like he did Oladipo.

That would have generated even more assets AND contributed to an equally shitty record.

See, I can play this make believe game too.

 

I think simmons causes more wins then oladipo, i know a lot of people disagree but that’s why I didn’t want simmons

 

Philly wouldn’t even drop protections on their 2 picks.

Simmons could not have been flipped in a way that gets the rockets hella unprotected firsts at the deadline.

He really doesn’t have that type of value. Look at the trade offers now… and the gms aren’t prisoners of the moment. His stock didn’t just plummet cuz the hawks series.

Stone had the big picture of team building in mind, assesses risk/reward very well, and it’s working out.

 

Verisimilitude, look it up.

The posters who keep propagating their what-if opinions as fact are gaslighting THEMSELVES.

 

Nope…. I clearly said taking the package without a blue chip headliner is what caused the Rockets to be bad.

 

The Rockets gambled on a rebuild and we got lucky/rewarded with the #2.

 

folks actually think this #2 pick came from the nets package lmao. can't say i'm surprised how far cf's can be off

 

You are mischaracterizing our position. We don't think the no. 2 pick was from the nets package. We think the number 2 pick happened (which is a fact) after the path Stone chose this year.

We believe it would not have happened (not a fact) if we took the Ben Simmons Package instead. We believe this team has a much clearer direction now and Stone is in a better position to pounce on future opportunities than he would be if he traded for Simmons.

You don't have to focus on the nets package in a vacuum as much as viewing team building from a holistic perspective.

 

nah I'm not. Stone didn't choose the path. it was purely part of how things played out after the rockets instantly became the worst team in the league. and it had 0 to do with the nets package. I'm viewing it for what it really is in reality. that's all that matters