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[Official] Astros @ Dodgers

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Aug 3, 2021.

  1. CinematicFusion

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    Odorizzi can’t be on playoff roster. He isn’t going to magically get batter. Maybe next season.

    Maybe he will be better out of the pen?
    Is it to late to put Christian Javier back in rotation, guess the ship has sailed.
     
  2. desihooper

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    Bogusevic on the post-game show was saying Odorizzi wasn't finishing his pitches and thus missing his location. Hope they can quickly find something on tape that can make him at least serviceable. Otherwise, yikes!
     
  3. STR8Thugg

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    Get out of here with that ish.

    It was nice little **** you moment, that's it.
     
  4. STR8Thugg

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    Ship has sailed for this year. I was cool with moving Javier to the bullpen, but he's responded poorly. He's a walk machine. Maybe he's better suited for the starting rotation, but I don't see that as an option this year outside of emergencies.
     
  5. desihooper

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    In today's Chronicle:
    Odorizzi assigned most of the blame to mechanical flaws. His shoulder angle is awry, he said, and he is not sitting back long enough on his back leg. It leads to “leaning and rushing everything toward the plate.”

    Odorizzi is at his best when his four-seam fastball has carry and elevates at the top of the strike zone. These imperfections prevent it.

    “Balls are running arm-side on me and I’m yanking fastballs. I’m opening up too soon. There’s a lot of things,” Odorizzi said. “We’ve been working on it in between outings. During games, it just reverts back to bad form. I think that’s the product of it. If I’m throwing a flat fastball, it’s getting hit a lot harder than when I have a good carry fastball.”
     
  6. bloodwings19

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    In a 5 game series in the 1st round, Odorizzi should be out of playoff roster. LMJ, Greinke, Valdez, L.Garcia should be the order of pitching in 1st round and LMJ pitches game 5.
     
  7. steddinotayto

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    My family and I went to LA last month for vacation. I can see why Dodger fans act the way they do--their city sucks, traffic sucks, homelessness is crazy high, air quality sucks, etc.

    Oh yea, F the Dodgers.
     
  8. jakedasnake

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    Yikes, doesn’t seem like something that can be fixed quickly. His confidence is low because of it so not sure how quickly he can bounce back from these issues.
     
  9. htownrox1

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    If Odorizzi just gets out of that first inning clean we win. Damn.
     
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  10. ktex

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    This is who he is and has been for the majority of his career. It was a panic buy that we are now stuck with for 3 years.
     
  11. Nick

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    I don't think people realize how often pitchers' mechanics can be off. It can be a start to start thing... or a month to month thing. The slightest ache or twinge anywhere in the body can throw everything off.

    Anybody who's swung a golf club consistently should be able to relate. The mechanics on each swing have to be as stable as possible for good shots to happen.

    Its obvious something isn't clicking with him. At the end of the day, despite the money being paid, he's this teams 5th starter for now... 6th starter when Urquiddy comes back... 7th starter if they decide to get Javier back in the rotation.
     
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  12. desihooper

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    I know Strom and team are big on pitch shaping and the sequencing, how are they with mechanics?
     
  13. The Beard

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    Odorizzi has given us decent to good starts about 70% of the time. In a year (era?) where so many players can't stay healthy and avoid the IL, there is value in that. Not saying I agree with the contract we gave him, but I certainly don't want him gone knowing we don't have any better options

    Yea Garcia and Raley can peace out
     
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  14. The Beard

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    We needed the innings, and he has kept us in the game about 70% of the time. I wish that money had been used elsewhere, but he is not a real problem for us. Can't see him starting a playoff game anyway
     
  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    How so?
     
  16. The Beard

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    I wonder if Javier was moved more for innings load and will be worked back into the rotation at some point soon, especially with the pen reinforcements
     
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  17. Nick

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    I don't think you can be an MLB pitcher or pitching coach and not have a focus on mechanics.

    For pitchers, mechanics is like breathing. Everybody takes it for granted unless there's a problem... and if there is a problem, everything suffers.
     
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    If that was the original plan, they certainly succeeded... however I think the original plan was to also keep him somewhat stretched out and have consistent appearances every 2nd/3rd day for multiple innings at a time.

    That plan has not been consistent lately, either due to the game situation, his lack of control, or just randomness. Its also why its probably easier to control work/appearances as a starter than it is to make him a reliever.

    As it is now, he's probably not stretched out. Going 4 innings would be tough (hasn't done that in almost 2 months). But they have 2 months left in the season to figure this out.... not that they haven't had all the rest of this time to figure something out.
     
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  19. TWS1986

    TWS1986 SPX '05, UH' 19

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    Really a disappointing signing. On one hand, how could we have known he'd suck this bad? On the other, it was a move since Framber was potentially out for the year. Even putting a rookie in his spot would be better at this point.
     
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  20. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    I actually trust Javier more at this point.
     

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