Givony: Rockets among teams exploring trading up to #1

Yeah... no.

The moment you start to assume anything is ever a "guarantee" in the NBA draft, you are the sucker.

 

No really. In this draft there are 2 superstar potential players. Green and Cade. The rest are role players from the top tier to the lower tier. Mobley, Suggs, Kuminga, Barnes and so on. Now you may find a gem here or there but that's basically it.

 

I would probably slate into the category of being a ‘Mobley hater’, but even I can acknowledge his superstar potential if the best case scenario with his traits pans out. We’re talking hand-eye coordination and a footspeed uncommon for a big man that conjures up images of AD, KG, and Bosh even if his game ends up being different in its own way.

The main argument from us naysayers is about not just his downside risk (see the dismal track record of big men drafted in the lottery since 2016), but also the declining role in general of the big man in today’s NBA. If we draft Mobley I will buy in 100% to the idea that scouting department has elected for ceiling over dependability, but at the same time there won’t be a single off-season in my mind where the most important priority will be keeping this Bambi-esque franchise centerpiece healthy and free from lower extremity injuries. The injury risk I think is the single biggest downside that I feel zero draftniks are discussing.

 

If the Pistons really want Jalen Green either they want even more Compensation in getting more assets in a trade with the 2nd pick, I think they are trying to fool the Rockets.

To me the Rockets shouldn't do anything.
Let them Draft Cade Cunningham or Jalen Green.

I think Jalen Green is a better player on a 10 to 15 year period. Because of his quickness and Athleticism, Ball handling, Creating off the dribble.

Cade is taller at 6'8 and can dribble, shoot can create, but his lack of speed is concerning, I honestly don't know.

To me Luka is more imaginative in creating and doing eurosteps, stepback 3s. Jalen I feel has that scoring ability, Cade is a wait and see.

 

Do nothing, just draft green. Again people green may end of the best player in this draft. N he seems like the guy that would make people pay for not being nber 1 pick. I like that. You get the best guy with a chip to prove he should of been 1

 

Green's problem is he is only 6'5" if you put that chip inside his shoes.

 

whats your thoughts on alperen sengun?

 

How is that a problem?

 

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/07...could-offer-houston-rockets-christian-wood/2/

Golden State Warriors Receive: C Christian Wood, G Eric Gordon
Houston Rockets Receive: F Andrew Wiggins, No. 7 Pick In 2021, 2023 First-Round Pick, 2025 First-Round Pick

or

Golden State Warriors Receive: C Christian Wood

Houston Rockets Receive: C James Wiseman, G Jordan Poole, No. 14 Pick, 2023 First-Round Pick

seems like some here may be undervaluing Wood. I would do either of these trades. Throw in both our late first this year and give up whatever future picks picks warriors offer so that we get 7 and 14.

 

I posted this in another thread. I think for sure that's overvaluing Wood, but I'd take the first trade in a heartbeat.

Gives you tons of flexibility in this draft.

Hell, I'd take the first trade and then try and trade down to three with Cleveland just because of the flexibility you'd have. And then you could trade up with 23 and 24 (and someone like Tate) if you wanted.

 

Dude why do you think random trade proposals by random dudes are somehow some authoritative voice on players values and what actual NBA teams are willing to give up

Why not just post a trade idea under a youtube video and link me that post, it's equally as valuable as some random article trade proposals

This guy just posts 20 different trade ideas every day, look here's another one

 

I’m sure it’s somewhere but Shams said this today

 

Why would you have the desire to trade the best player on the Rockets. Does not seem to be very cleaver to me.
Do not trade Wood! Y

 

#2, Detroit pick back,+#24

 

Giving up anything more than this would be stupid.

 

remember to ask which team benefits from this leak? that's who leaked it.

in this case I believe news of an "aggressive offer" benefits the pistons in creating additional leverage in whatever negotiations they have going on. seems like they leak this then go back to CLE, OKC, NOP and say now you have to beat the rockets offer which we just fabricated lol. and/or stone is playing hardball so weaver puts this out to draw more interest from other teams, forcing stone into a bidding war. either way this news doesn't benefit the rockets.

 

This is a tough call, in the end I think the pistons won't do it unless it really blows them away. They aren't in the position or luxury of boston scoring a high pick while already having a playoff team so they traded the 'cosensus no 1 Fultz"

Hawks took a big risk with Young and Reddish for Luka. Do they regret it?

But Weaver has a very visible pick with all eyes on him and a consensus pick who looks to have a high ceiling and is a safe pick in terms of his own job and reputation. if he takes a risk, passes, and Cade lives up to the hype then the GM of Darko Milici's drafting franchise would have that move on him his whole career.

I think we're in a great position at no 2. Green vs Mobley is a good problem to have

 

I trust Stone to know the right move.

As others have pointed out, if Detroit evaluates Cade as a once in every 5-10 year player, it won’t matter what we can offer. If they don’t, then we shouldn’t offer much more than #2, Detroit’s 1st and maybe 24.

 

I disagree. I've been Green Gang from day 1 but I have to be realistic with what I expect from him. cade is farther along (playmaking and defense) so he will shorten the timeframe for the rebuild. green can/will get there but he's not there yet. cade's size and length give him a higher ceiling defensively and allow for more lineup versatility.

green, mobley, Suggs, or cade could all end up the best player in this draft. they all have the same ceiling as superstar/all nba type players. but cade's floor is so much higher than the rest. you know at least you're getting an all star caliber guy with almost no chance at being a total bust.

so if you care about the super high floor and the shorter timeframe for the rebuild (as I'm sure any GM would) cade becomes the most attractive option. green is a great #2, same high ceiling, but much lower floor. he's got the work ethic to raise that floor and that's what separates him from mobley for me at #2.

I would be willing to pay a decent amount to shorten the timeframe of the rebuild (losing isn't fun) and to get the guy with the higher floor. again, green can/will get there too but it will take longer and there's no guarantees he does get there. so I'm willing to offer quantity but not quality picks. I would be willing to play with 23/24, and the heavily protected Detroit and Washington picks. all of those equal mid-late round picks once conveyed. that all means each pick has a 50/50 chance of being a rotation player. easily replaceable. if we have to package them to move up to 13 so we can do 2/13 for cade, fine. if weaver wants all 4 with #2 for cade fine. its quantity but not quality.

I wouldn't trade any of our quality picks. that's our own and the nets picks/swaps. I wouldn't include kpj, wood, tate, or kj all of those are quality assets. I would include one of those picks only if its top 10 protected and doesn't come with any other picks/players.

 

Thing is gsw would do this lol. So you are over valuing wood. Guys its not enough great play to think so highly of wood. Again not that he won't. But to trade stuff like this you gotta be sure. Wood is too new to be sure. Do it again next year but better(allstar) then teams will give up stuff like that