Here is the trade if you are convinced on Suggs: https://fanspo.com/nba/s/rockets/trades/dTZfYNDWo9pqLx/everybody-wins-on-this-trade
Suggs seems like a super solid player to me. Kind of reminds me of a Kyle Lowry type of guy - just a solid floor general who does a number of things well and can def be a contributor on a title contending team. The shooting - particularly the FT shooting is a little worrisome for a guard but you would think he could end up being respectable at that in time. That being said, he is probably more of a floor raiser than a ceiling raiser which is why he isn't getting top 3 buzz as much. In other words - your team can be solid with him, but he's probably not going to be elite at any one thing like the very very best players do. Drafting Suggs means you could be drafting a top 30 guy but probably not a top 10 in the league at any given point and that's kind of the point for rebuilding teams because having a top 10 guy means you are generally in the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs consistently(ie. borderline contender at worst). A Kyle Lowry type of guy makes you good(like when he was our leader in Houston), but maybe not legit title contender unless a top 10 guy enters your orbit(hello, Kawhi!). I think that's why you have to go with upside this high in the draft and why I like Green more than Suggs for Houston who is looking for a guy to build around and doesn't necessarily have clear foundational pieces yet. I actually think Suggs will be GREAT for Toronto and his career will certainly look better from the start adding him to an experienced team like that with guys who can already lead their team giving Suggs the benefit of not being "the man" on day 1. My bet is that if Green just becomes an elite scorer and adds nothing else to his game, that will still make him a top 30 guy BUT if he can improve on his playmaking and/or defense he could easily become a top 15 guy. I think Zach Lavine is the floor for this kid and keep in mind he is averaging 17pts on decent shooting numbers against professional basketball players as a 19yr old kid with a skinny frame. That tells me even though he should be getting pushed around with his frame, his speed and athleticism STILL allow him to do things against high level athletes who are grown men. Now THAT being said, I would be really interested to hear what Detroit wants to move up to #1 because I feel wayyyy better about Cade than any Jalen mentioned. Gotta get back in that title hunt and Cade seems like the quickest path to that.
I agree with this, and that is why I question Mobley since most people point to his Tournament heroics when presenting their case. To a lesser extent the same applies to Suggs, we are constantly shown his half court buzzer beater in the tournament.
#casuals it's college basketball. You have to understand the average person doesn't follow it enough. the NCAA tourney is nothing more than the time these type of people tune in. And then add in things like recency bias
https://omny.fm/shows/duncd-on-bask...nba-finals-game-3-jalen-suggs-scouting-repo-1 Duncan & Leroux on Suggs (Much more on the podcast than posted below) -Best measurements I could find: 6’4, 205 lbs, 6’6 wingspan -One and done at Gonzaga -Turned 20 this June; rookie season will be age 20 -From St. Paul Minnesota; first Minnesota athlete ever to win Mr. Basketball & Mr. Football in the same year; QB/DB and 4* prospect in football; 5* basketball recruit -Averaged 14.4 pts, 4.5 asts, 5 rebs, 2 stl in 29 minutes at Gonzaga -60% TS on 25% usg; 34% on 4.8 threes per 40 minutes; 75% on 5.3 FTs per 40 minutes -I don’t think he has superstar upside, all-NBA upside. He can be in that Malcolm Brogdon, Spencer Dinwiddie type of range as a solid PG who will get paid $20M and be a good starter and give you something on both ends. I don’t think he has a ton of terrible weaknesses. This Gonzaga team is about as favorable a situation as there’s ever existed for a PG prospect. Running all the time, not all games are against high level competition. Bunch of switching on defense. -Pathway for him to kinda justifying a top 5 selection, getting into all-NBA, all-star consideration? If that were to happen, which we both think is less likely, what would be the pathway? -Tightens up his handle, has more burst to get so he can beat his player a lot more regularly, that forces the help and the reads he isn’t making in the half court now becomes easier, that Suggs not all-defense level but level below and be a better offensive player than those guys are, the dynamic offensive player who isn’t maybe one of the ten best primarily ball handlers but maybe 10-20. Also that he’s a good enough shooter and eventually develops an off-ball game so you can pair him with another good player. He’d fit better with a better offensive player than him than most guards. If you put him next to Harden, I think it would work. -My pathway to getting really good is he becomes an awesome shooter off the dribble. I don’t think he’ll get there. Think he’ll be more solid. … Struggle to see him being a great finisher at the rim. If he can develop a floater and another counter against the defense. Becomes a high level passer and develops PnR craft. That would be the path for me. If he doesn’t become an unbelievable jump shooter, I don’t see how he gets to be a good enough scorer and distributor where we’re running everything through this guy. Where would you have him among point guards last few years? LaMelo Ball (both have below LaMelo) Anthony Edwards? (One has Suggs below Edwards) Ja clearly above Trae… Suggs over Garland? (Both yes) Knowing what we know now, would have him above Lonzo I’d have him in the lower end of the group. He can be a solid starter at PG, kinda view as his most likely outcome. We haven’t looked at everyone yet but in a normal year, I’d be a little disappointed to end up with him at four. He may end up being the right pick there. Getting a Brogdon/Dinwiddie is probably not much different than what you’d normally get out of that pick. If you’re the Raptors and you pick Suggs, it’s not like “OK, he’s unbelievable, this is the future star we need, let’s go forward with this group and Suggs is the star we’re missing.”
Unless there is some draft day magic or trade we can only pick one of these guys and I have them over Suggs. I struggle with passing over him though, if he becomes a Jason Kidd who can impact the game in many ways but not necessarily on offense, he will be a great celing raiser. Although not carrying the whole team, he also performs under pressure with big plays. Basically if he develops to his potential, you can pair him as a #2 guy on a championship team like Kidd did with Dirk. If Kidd had a legit MVP guy early in his career he might have won mulitiple. But we need the MVP guy first and #2 guy later. Suggs could become an excellent player in the right environment.
Well, their agents aren't fools. These kids have been prepped. "I'm The S**t. The Bomb. The Next Coming. Did you read Revelations? Dude on the white horse, me."
I think it’s fair to say that the other guys in the top 4 have a higher upside than Suggs, but he has by far the highest chance of reaching his upside and has the fewest holes in his game.
I like his spicy answers. Maybe it's the high school QB experience but Suggs reminds me of a poor man's Allen Iverson.
I wonder if Suggs had a huge game in the national championship and hit another game winner if we would be discussing him as a favorite for the number one pick.
Will continue to follow suggs career in the NBA for sure. Outside of the obvious cade, he's still my most intriguing prospect in this class
He’ll be a second or third tier PG at best. Ja, Trae and Luka will dominate his position throughout his career. He’ll make a couple all star teams tho.
