Did James Harden prove tonight that the voters got it right?

Russ was the best Rocket on the court. If you would’ve told me that two days ago I would’ve laughed

 

They got it right in 2017 too

 

Can a Harden "I can shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose any voters" level of defenders at least acknowledge there is a severe issue of Harden being literally the laziest player in the NBA when he doesn't have a basketball in his hands? The dude lollygags to the half court line ALWAYS when Russ brings the ball up. It's so damn obvious. Dude seriously needs to work on his cardio and lose some mass if jogging ever once in a while when he doesn't have the ball is so damn taxing for him.

 

You gotz to chill dawg

Harden is a MVP. Don't judge him off one game when ref screwed him

 

Giannis deserved both of his MVP's over Harden.

 

Well, Giannis went and threw a dud last year didn't he? goes to show, like the spurs, if you stick with it with your core , surround your generational talent with depth, that things can happen. Mj might have a different legacy if it wasn't for two guys who aren't headliners, vets, not worth big contracts in Kerr and PAxon hitting their shots.

Kobe had fisher and horry hitting clutchc shots, so did hakeem. Maybe thats why they all demanded talent bc thats what it takes. Would rockets have paid jrue holiday that bag, or middleton, while now ending the season in the tax with only more to pay? AFter they came up short last year adn everyone sadi theres no way. They even paid for Tucker who we wouldn't and now lets see how they handle it this offseason, bc he had 0, but 36 minutes, grit, leadership many things you can't quantify and now history has been made.

If Giannis was in houston, just like he almost did the bucks before they paid up, he wouldn't left houston. I'd wager no 1A star wuold stick through what harden did while we pretend hes a diva, just shows that they don't get nba economics and revenue...its an odd thing for people litteraly cheering on something that only helps the owners pocket books while hurting our team, franchise...its amazing how time and time again people favor the billionairs raising the prices on you, as tilman said it may just be true
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Everybody wants to be led. Except for me. I want to lead.

Tilman J. Fertitta

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Respect to Giannis who many said couldn't get it done, goes to show how the narratives unfold and that guy went 17-19 in the finals on free throws, I can't imagine if spurs blew it up when they fell short or even choked in 2014 and avoided the title later. Props to tucker who demanded out of houston after leaving it all on the floor and saw what everyone logically saw, the franchise prioritized the owner margins over doing all it can in a win or ntohing league and for some reason maybe we have landry's accountantas who are celebrating his savings over rockcets giving it another shot. won't win with that mentality, but I geuss you'll get some landry's gift cards next year?

 

Let’s worry about the Rockets going at least .250 next season instead of what the Brooklyn Nets do.

 

The harden “no defense” thread was made by a poster on clutchfans

I’m low key praying for jalen green

if y’all could do that to harden, a lesser known prospect don’t gotta chance in hell on these boards unless they are yao, dmo, dragic or scola

 

ha yea, with their criticism of harden despite the load he was carrying i can't imagne what they will do to Green...he may be not good enough to carry a team and no defense or whatever else by his 4th/5th year...he could be zach lavine getting better 27-5-5 on 50/40/90 in his 5th year and some have already said they dont think lavine himself would be worth it. ...and then we have the tilman only fans that will pretend its their money and root for savings for the owners upgrades to his yachts even if it hurts the houston rockets

 

Depends. Is he going to be more fun to watch? Because that's part of the value of being a fan.

Harden could be fun at times but after 10 step back threes and a row his game can be very tedious to follow.

 

are zach lavine and bradley beal fun to watch. because all they do is lose games

 

I prefer having both success and fun. Let's hope Green can be near successful as Harden but significantly more fun to watch.

If KPJ can develop to a star level player, Green doesn't need to be as good as Harden if the team has other solid pieces to be a perennial playoff team.

I'm also hoping Green has that killer instinct in clutch time unlike Harden. There are players worse than Harden who are better at having that ultra instinct in closing minutes of games like Lillard.

 

like i said bro, im praying for whoever we draft

this board would bump threads about trading harden after every bad game he had, and harden is a legit all-time top 30 player in history. If they could do that too james, then i guess rockets fans are expecting jalen green/jalen suggs to be kobe bryant or jason kidd. I surely for their sakes hope they pan out, because if they dont. they will never hear the end of it, probably even have videos made about them mocking their flaws

 

if jalen green was actually james harden, he would be the first overall pick. Their is no james harden in this years draft. Harden is a once in a generation type talent. Harden can carry teams as bad as this years rockets to the playoffs when HE IS ENGAGED and in shape. You have a better chance at finding the next steph curry than finding the next harden

 

Even James Harden isn't James Harden.

You know he was the third pick right?

 

Starting to wonder if there is ever a post in which you don't bring up Tilman Fertitta. I'm not a fan either but you're taking it a bit far. You seem obsessed.

 

Yea and if they comce up short when the team cheaped out on talent around them, they may just bring out the "they need to learn a killer instinct and how to step on throats in the playoffs from tilman fertitta" while tilman saves money, and raises it on the fans only to have those same fans defend him and hand him more money... that kind of sheep like mentality is just an curious thing, but looks like human nature for some people at least

 

lol, I've been with the rockets since before fertitta, before alexander, and with thomas. I've never ever seen so much misinformation and no doubt this may be the first owner we've had with receipets both about the rockets and without where he just lies.

Its that dudes hustle and he can enjoy it how he likes, but getting on here you just see blatant misinformation, I don't think of fertitta elsewhere its an odd thing when they don't have any defense for the guy lying to us that we say 'youre obsessed' or something like that, its like thep oeple talking abotu harden or whoever else on a message board where we come to talk abotu this junk are 'obsessed'

Its not hta deep bro, I have the capability of critisizing an then also complimenting that I'm happy so far with where we are and I'm looking forward to the tools we have. If a dude lies, be it tilman harden MDA or morey, I'm of the mindset that you call it out, and demand the best for the franchise and city bc we the fans and city desreve better. Simple as that. I wonder if some people really go on here and then can't shake it after they log off, for me if I'm at work taking caclls the second i put my eyes away I'm not worried abotu it. but I understand some people have different sensitivity levels and I get the whole new snoflake safe zones where we can't handle negativity without getting worked up, but that aint me. I can see teh **** show burn down tilman pulled off, I can also give credit to stone and know w'ere in a new position that tilman will have the option to redeem himself afterwards

sadly i respond bc people just blantantly contradict the guys own words. Very rarely do you get an owner who wants to be the face, takes the mikes, lies to your face...then fans fawn over on how to jump loopholes as if this guy was the embodiement of houston rockets, almost like their tilman only fans? Its hard to get, especially for the texas I know. in any case, go rockets bud. If you're sensitive to my post, don't worry about it


I guess you can see how you want, we all are logging into a speialized rockets form to discuss the state of the rockets, but let me know really if I'm lying like tilman, or I'm spreading misinformation with my quotes. If my facts are off, I'm happy to answer and talk about that, but if the only response to those facts that I'm countering with is bro hes living rent free...then its like cable news, deflection and tribliasm...no actual facts....Go rockets

 

If the player we draft is so mentally weak that some comments on a fan forum destroys his confidence then that guy was never going to be anything anyways.

 

I'm just not sure. I think this mentality of a guy in true espn fashion demanding a chip or do better with less pieces aroudn you is a part of the culture for having stars leave to join superteams. its not some mentally weak sort of thing, its like any of us if at work we were constantly unfairly disapraged and while the boss cheapened out the culture, cut cost, and then put more and more of the blame would you feel appreciated, woudl you feel this is the work culture you can do it in?

The fact is we're celebrating Giannis now, his front office committed over 250 million to just middleton and Holiday, not counting lopez and donte and whoever else. They also came up and paid PJ who CF was shouting as a worthless, they got a chip. Now they'll show this summer what they are about if they pay extra tax for Bobby and for PJ.

Or how about the other finals team? They paid for ariza when we were too cheap too, half the poeple defending an owner saving money for some reason while in contention, they paid for paul at 36 who we said was worthless at 34.

So does this reall expose harden or show when 90 percent of our moves were cost cutting since 2018, we watered down his depth, staff, role plyers and then the owner even took the mike and said they would learn a kller mentality from him?

Do you see the bucks or suns owner sying he will impart culture on Giannis or Paul? Or demanding they need to do better after saving money they year before ?

Harden an't blameless, a lot of changes I would've liked from him MDA, morey, but to ignore the role of the guy who set teh budget to where we were watering down and cheapen the team is to miss the entire point imo and to pretend like we wouldn't be better with harden and actually building rather then belittling the pieces around us shows the tyep of mentality that if nets sty healthy, theyll win a ring and hraden might even just get teh finals mvp as he showed the difference he makes when hes on point this year.

He ain't a rocket, if rockets are aroudn I won't root for him, but I Respect that the guy who played heavy minutes, useage, games in a time of 'load management' who messed around and led the leageu ins scoring, then assists and constantly was adding to his game and moves, has the respect of his peers, that takes mental grit, persevverence, and a deep deep desire to be great and what he did in that 7 year marathon may only be matched at the very elite end of even hall of famers.