That should be none of our concern. We need to get a good asset for him, if he's not the best choice for the Rockets. The Raptors have a world class GM, one of the best in the league. He's not likely to give up anything significant to Houston. I might be totally wrong about the Cavs. There is no doubt however, that their management is weaker than Toronto's. I still think this is all a smokescreen on Stone's part. No one knows what's going to happen.
without Bron, AD is leading his team to a top 10 pick yet again U expect Mobley to be Giannis or AD level?
What was reported: Green is working out for only the Pistons and Rockets. Green said one team has already promised they would take him Mobley is only working out [at the Rockets training facility] What makes sense as a result: The Cavs made that promise to Green to take him, and to Mobley as well, if the Cavs know they aren't taking Suggs. if so, there's no reason for Green or Mobley to work out for the Cavs. The Rockets would never guarantee to any player they would take anyone, other than Cade. It would also risk the Rockets losing the leverage of the Cavs trading up one pick to guarantee picking the player they want that the Rockets know they don't (ie Green over Mobley or vice versa). For this reason it would make sense for the Rockets to 'leak' they're taking the player they sense the Cavs prefer, vs guarantee they're taking the player they sense the Cavs don't. Mobley only needs to work out to prove he's #2 if the Cavs already promised they'd take Mobley or Green, thus he only needs to work out for the Rockets. In the end, unfortunately, none of this is news to me, just logic. What makes no sense to me are any leaks about the Rockets preferring Suggs in any way, unless for some reason they think the Cavs might prefer Suggs. It's all one big game.
What about Booker? What about Lavine? What about Beal? each of those guys are nowhere close to competitive without substantial help. We have all been playing this what about game for the past few weeks. It's getting down to brass tacks, who is the better player Green or Mobley? Last night showed that bigs do in fact matter so that argument should be put to bed for the next year at least.
I’m not about to sit here and act like AD wasn’t lottery bound almost every year before joining Lebron, but since he won a title as Bron’s sidekick, it’s now bigs that are bringing home rings people might refer to Giannis as a “big”, but he plays like a wing that can’t shoot
Even with Giannis going nuts - Chris Middleton and to a lesser degree Jrue Holiday were catalysts for that championship run. If not for their consistently high level of play they may not have escaped the Hawks where Giannis was hurt. I just dont know how sincere it is to want a player to become Giannis? Those guys dont grow on trees. Just because a kid is tall and rangy, doesnt mean he's going to gain 50 lbs of solid muscle and inflict his will on the game like Giannis does. Bully Ball. Clutch Gene? Who has it this year?
I wasnt saying that its bigs that are bringing home rings, I just said that the fallacy that bigs dont matter should be given a rest. You pulled my coat yesterday about ISO stats, how do these numbers grab you? I looked at guys that are used as comps for Mobley and Green and their winning. Each of these guys entered the league at 19. I used their first 7 years b/c I think that provides sufficient data (and that is Lavine's entire career). Anyway, when it comes to wins/losses here is the info: Bradley Beal:284-290 - .495 (5/7 .500 seasons) Anthony Davis: 251-323 - .437 (2/7 .500 seasons) Zach Lavine: 178-369 - .325 (0/7 .500 seasons) Giannis: 291-274 - .507 (5/7 .500 seasons) I think this data suggests what we all know to be the case: it is about more than just your best player. You probably arent going to be a title contender with just AD and a bunch of JAGs any more than you will with Zach Lavine and those same JAGs. You put a John Wall or Khris Middleton around a Beal or Giannis and you get much better. I am not sure why AD's lack of playoff success is always brought up against Mobley. Does anybody think that Jalen Green with only marginal help is going to do any better? This whole debate is getting very tiring. It seems much more likely that Green will be the pick by reading what tea leaves there are. IDK, this time of year there is so much misdirection that I suppose that there is no certainty. Regardless, it was a hell of a finals series and now we are all on to the offseason!
I am not diminishing their contribution. I am just saying that the guy who averaged 35.2 points, 13.2 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 1.2 steals and 1.8 blocks per game in the series -- all while shooting 61.8% from the field was kind of important too. And, for the record, I dont think that Mobley will put on 50 pounds of muscle. I think he probably maxes out somewhere around 235 or 240 which should be plenty (Giannis is listed at 242). That represents about 20 pounds over the next 2-3 years. I dont think thats crazy for a 20 year old kid in a professional strength and conditioning program. But even if he did put on 50 more pounds I dont think he would be giannis. I think he would be a much more skilled Ayton type. Look, the Rockets are going to need to build. If Green is the guy they are going to need to add 2 way pieces around him. If it is Mobley they will need to have some guys, like Middleton, who can get their own shot. This is not going to be a finished team after this draft regardless of who is selected.
The post of mine that u quoted was a response to someone who did, and who is saying that bigs don’t matter? Giannis also isn’t a big, he’s a wing that is able to dominate the paint, so I don’t see how him winning a title is supposed to be proof of anything with regards to big men Zach Lavine isn’t even a top 20 player, and Beal just became an All-Star player a few years ago, but even now, he’s barely top 20. AD was the one who was the top 5 superstar player the years he was racking up all those L’s was he not? it is a scorer + playmaker’s league…these are the majority of the guys having the most impact How many of the guys that are considered top 20 or even top 10 guys aren’t high level scorers and/or playmakers? Jalen Green projects to be a high level scorer, and we will see how good his playmaking becomes. Also, whoever we draft this year is just a piece. I’m still gonna need us to be horrible next year, and we’ll see where we’re at in 2023 when we will still have full control over our pick.
Apologies. I guess I took your sarcastic "since he won a title as Bron’s sidekick, it’s now bigs that are bringing home rings" as you saying that bigs dont matter. And yet these are the prime comps for Green, right? 100%
We already saw a video of Jalen going 1-on-1 against Anthony Edwards. He is most definitely closer to 6’6” rather than 6’3” so that argument has been deemed pointless now.
those are his reasonable prime comps Is Mobley’s reasonable prime comp AD or surefire superstar? AD should be expected to have done much better than he did in New Orleans since he was the superstar top 5 player right? Lavine and Beal aren’t his contemporaries. Would Harden, Curry, Lebron, or KD have done that horribly with those same Pelicans rosters? Because that’s who u should be comparing AD’s results to. How many of the top 10 or top 20 guys in the NBA isn’t a high level scorer and/or playmaker?
LOL....I sure hope you're right. Since you're so certain and obviously have seen Jalen Green in person, and not referencing a video or anything.
This clip tells us nothing....hence why there's been concern about his TRUE height. Had a clip like this been conclusive....there wouldn't be conversations circulating the web questioning his true 6'6 height......smart ass
