Suggs plus an unprotected 2022 and a good future second round pick would better than only Mobley in my opinion.
Might not have to move up to get Garuba. I’ve seen him mocked to us at #23 several times. Don’t think I’ve seen him going higher than 17, so there’s a good chance he’ll be there. Depending on who else is available, the Rockets should probably take him at that spot.
He can wait 2 years he'll only be 20 by then and will prob be balling like crazy after 2 yrs in Europe
If NBA GMs actually pick Ziaire Williams, Kai Jones, and Jalen Johnson over these international players (like Garuba, Sengun, or even Josh Giddey), they should be fired for not scouting prospects. I'll be shocked if hungry teams do not snap up this overseas talent. In most normal drafts, mid to late international players looked like draft and stash commodities. But this year, I see all these guys coming over and contributing. The overall talent level of this year's draft is so good that our #23 and #24 slots may have the talent of #8-12 picks in other seasons. It's hard to pick three first-rounders and be successful, and we've blown that every other time in franchise history. Maybe we'll get it right this time. Garuba at #24 would be a steal, but I can't believe we'd have that good fortune. Other thoughts: I'm kind of curious to see if Corey Kispert slides down the board and goes somewhat later than where many are placing him. And though I haven't seen Keon Johnson play very much, I can't believe he's going super high. Yes, he has tremendous athleticism, but what about his game readiness?
It used to be that the international guys would show up on the radar about a week before the draft and really muck everything up. I think everyone is scouting them better and awareness is much higher throughout the process. Still, if a couple of teams take some late risers like JT Thor and Jeremiah Robinson-Earle in the late teens, then suddenly one or two guys we had no anticipation of being there could suddenly fall in our lap.
Tilman controls everything. He could trade the 2nd pick for a couple of unprotected 2022 1st round picks and trade down to the second round in this year's draft and take a couple of Euro stash players. He won't have to pay a penny. I fear he's up to no good. Edit: Perhaps I'm over rating the value of the 2nd pick. I do think it's probably worth one unprotected 1st round pick from the 2022 draft. It wouldn't be a surprise to me if Tilman will do this, and go for two Euro stash picks as well.
https://www.si.com/nba/2021/07/20/nba-mock-draft-cade-cunningham-evan-mobley-jalen-green 1. Pistons: Cade Cunningham, G, Oklahoma State Height: 6' 8" | Weight: 220 | Age: 19 | Freshman With nine days until the draft, the broad expectation around the NBA is that the Pistons will end up staying put and select Cunningham. He visited with Detroit on Monday, which was reportedly the only predraft trip he planned to take. That doesn’t mean Detroit is done exploring trade options, but it does feel like the reflection of a somewhat limited market. While the Pistons might like to trade back one or two spots—the most logical partner being the Rockets—the sense I’ve gotten from league sources is that interest from other teams in the No. 1 pick hasn’t been robust enough to seriously tempt the Pistons. That’s partially a byproduct of the quality of the draft’s top prospects: Houston and Cleveland can simply stand pat, comfortably select Jalen Green or Evan Mobley, and feel good. In the end, the option of staying at No. 1 and taking Cunningham remains the simplest one for the Pistons. He’s widely viewed as the safest choice, with a versatile skillset tailor-made to augment a modern offense, even if he’s not a full-time lead guard in the long run. Cunningham can play and excel out of a wide range of spots on the floor, unusual for a prospect his age, and makes the process of adding talent that much more malleable in the long run. His improved jumper significantly improves his outlook as a scorer, and his rare intangibles and unselfish approach to winning basketball are increasingly difficult to find. There’s no faulting the Pistons for making the easy choice here, and Cunningham has the ability to change the course of the franchise. 2. Rockets: Jalen Green, SG, G League Ignite Height: 6' 5" | Weight: 185 | Age: 19 | Freshman Much of the chatter I’ve heard the past couple weeks has suggested that the Rockets prefer Green to Evan Mobley at this spot. There have been reports in recent weeks that Houston has interest in trading up with Detroit to take Cunningham, but the vast majority of speculation from other teams has centered on Green as the presumptive fit at No. 2. His ability to create his own shot gives him a chance to be a legitimate offensive fulcrum, and the Rockets are positioned to take a swing on upside. For what it’s worth, Green’s camp is thought to prefer Houston as a destination, rather than landing in Cleveland one pick later. Devin Booker’s evolution from promising scorer into a well-rounded perimeter centerpiece provides a blueprint for Green’s development, with his exceptional athleticism giving him major upside. 3. Cavaliers: Evan Mobley, F/C, USC Height: 7' 0" | Weight: 215 | Age: 20 | Freshman There appears to be a pretty good chance Mobley is available here at No. 3, which would be an extremely fortunate outcome for Cleveland. The Cavs are thought to covet Mobley here, and while there should be a degree of interest from opposing teams hoping to move up and grab him, this feels like an ideal match. He’d be a near-perfect fit with the Cavaliers, bringing legitimate versatility to operate on the perimeter and protect the interior alongside Jarrett Allen in a jumbo-sized frontcourt. He’s a low-maintenance, high-impact performer and a potential franchise centerpiece, and two-way bigs of his ilk don’t come around all that often. This shouldn’t be an overly complicated choice for the Cavs, and Mobley could end up being their best player in relatively short order. The high defensive floor and intriguing offensive ceiling make him an outstanding prospect. 4. Raptors: Jalen Suggs, G, Gonzaga 5. Magic: Scottie Barnes, F, Florida State 6. Thunder: James Bouknight, SG, UConn 7. Warriors (from Timberwolves): Jonathan Kuminga, F, G League Ignite 8. Magic (from Bulls): Keon Johnson, SG, Tennessee 9. Kings: Franz Wagner, SF, Michigan 10. Pelicans: Davion Mitchell, G, Baylor 11. Hornets: Kai Jones, F/C, Texas 12. Spurs: Corey Kispert, SF, Gonzaga 13. Pacers: Josh Giddey, G, Adelaide 36ers (Australia) 14. Warriors: Jalen Johnson, F, Duke 15. Wizards: Alperen Sengün, F/C, Besiktas (Turkey) 16. Thunder (from Celtics): Moses Moody, SG, Arkansas 17. Grizzlies: Chris Duarte, SG, Oregon 18. Thunder (from Heat): Usman Garuba, F/C, Real Madrid (Spain) 19. Knicks: Trey Murphy, F, Virginia 20. Hawks: Ziaire Williams, SF, Stanford 21. Knicks (from Mavericks): Isaiah Jackson, C, Kentucky 22. Lakers: Cameron Thomas, SG, LSU 23. Rockets (from Blazers): Bones Hyland, SG, VCU Height: 6' 3" | Weight: 165 | Age: 20 | Sophomore The Rockets’ two picks in the 20s are a key swing spot in the late first round, with Houston presumably open to moving one or both depending on what’s available. Hyland has been gathering steam after a strong showing at the combine, and looks to be working his way into this range of the draft. While he’s a scorer by nature and quite slender for an NBA two-guard, his ability to make tough shots is hard to find, and has helped separate him from the large pack of guards in the 20-40 range. Hyland’s stock appears to have moved into first-round territory at this point. 24. Rockets (from Bucks): Joshua Primo, SG, Alabama Height: 6' 5" | Weight: 190 | Age: 18 | Freshman This second Rockets pick is thought to be available in trades, as the Rockets attempt to maneuver with their two selections in the 20s. After a strong showing at the combine and impressive pre-draft process behind closed doors, Primo now looks like a lock to land in the first round, with his range beginning in the teens and running into the 20s. He’s demonstrated a more diverse offensive game than he showed in a spot-up role at Alabama, with combo guard skills and an impressive level of poise and focus. The fact he’s the youngest draft-eligible prospect adds a layer of appeal as a long-term project, and he’s in the mix for teams that can afford to be patient. Primo has starter-level upside in the long run. 25. Clippers: Sharife Cooper, PG, Auburn 26. Nuggets: Jared Butler, G, Baylor 27. Nets: Day’Ron Sharpe, C, North Carolina 28. 76ers: Tre Mann, G, Florida 29. Suns: Jaden Springer, G, Tennessee 30. Jazz: Quentin Grimes, SG, Houston SECOND ROUND 31. Bucks (from Rockets): Ayo Dosunmu, G, Illinois 32. Knicks (from Pistons): Miles McBride, PG, West Virginia 33. Magic: J.T. Thor, F, Auburn 34. Thunder: Jason Preston, PG, Ohio 35. Pelicans (from Cavs): Joel Ayayi, G, Gonzaga 36. Thunder (from Wolves): Josh Christopher, SG, Arizona State 37. Pistons (from Raptors): Isaiah Todd, PF, G League Ignite 38. Bulls (from Pelicans): AJ Lawson, G/F, South Carolina 39. Kings: Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, F, Villanova 40. Pelicans: Joe Wieskamp, SG, Iowa 41. Spurs: Juhann Begarin, SG, Paris Basket 42. Pistons (from Hornets): Herbert Jones, F, Alabama 43. Pelicans (from Wizards): Rokas Jokubaitis, PG, Zalgiris 44. Nets (from Pacers): BJ Boston, SG, Kentucky 45. Celtics: Austin Reaves, G, Oklahoma 46. Raptors (from Grizzlies): David Johnson, G, Louisville 47. Raptors (from Warriors): Amar Sylla, F, Oostende 48. Hawks (from Heat): Aaron Henry, SG, Michigan State 49. Nets (from Hawks): Charles Bassey, C, Western Kentucky 50. 76ers (from Knicks): Kessler Edwards, F, Pepperdine 51. Grizzlies (from Blazers): Neemias Queta, C, Utah State 52. Pistons (from Lakers): Jericho Sims, C, Texas 53. Pelicans (from Mavericks): Justin Champagnie, F, Pittsburgh 54. Pacers (from Bucks): Greg Brown, F, Texas 55. Thunder (from Nuggets): Daishen Nix, PG, G League Ignite 56. Hornets (from Clippers): Vrenz Blijenbergh, F, Antwerp 57. Hornets (from Nets): Luka Garza, C, Iowa 58. Knicks (from 76ers): Filip Petrusev, C, Mega Basket 59. Nets (from Suns): Isaiah Livers, F, Michigan 60. Pacers (from Jazz): Sandro Mamukelashvili, F, Seton Hall
No. They wont pick 3 guards. Even if they trade 23 or 24 or condense them to move up, they really need one guard and one big wing or c/pf.
I think Bones and Primo are upside players, who genuinely can be moved up for a higher pick for a big wing like Ziarie Williams. I think Williams might be having good workouts, since it appears he is no longer falling down. Grabbing Garuba will be tough. Do you think Bassey or Sharpe should be targeted with either the 23rd or the 24th pick? I like Bones. I'm okay taking him here. Thor might be a dark horse choice. It seems that he is dropping now.
There's a pretty long list of high potential players to fall into the 2nd. Stone has to find a way to get at least 1 pick between 31-38.
I’m starting to think the same thing. Several guys that I thought would be available a few weeks ago appear to be moving up (Sengun, Garuba, Murphy). As these players move up, is there anyone whose stock has fallen in recent weeks that would be worth taking a chance on? I am not a fan of an all-SG draft, but I would prefer Quentin Grimes over some of the ones that appear on the experts’ boards in our range.
