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COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tinman, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. CCity Zero

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    I'm not here to debate/discuss anything but the guy on the segment was hilarious in saying "I see vaccines are a way to block nature" - ie natural selection...

    Lol, Soooo does he not want antibiotics/chemo/airbags/money for better medical care etc etc etc.? I mean a lot of advances in various fields have allowed humans to survive outside the normal life expectancy/population - I mean imagine not having access to food... He's correct in his statement (well how much I watched - I stopped shortly after), but was this really the hill to die on? - basically stating "I'm against vaccines because they allow the weak to survive".... Just a stupid point.

    I don't know if he thought it out more after as I already wasted enough time up to that point, but I don't like watching news from most sources - (cnn/foxnews - whatever, actual journalism died a long time ago). Don't take this as I don't keep up on news, I just don't like listening to various news anchors debate a topic when they don't have a science degree - it's similar to wasting time watching ESPN debate segments when the hosts have no playing experience.
     
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  2. robbie380

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    Interesting take away from the UK is that unvaccinated symptomatic covid infections have peaked and started to decline while vaccinated symptomatic covid infections continue to increase.

    However, the vaccinated covid symptomatic infections are similar to a simple cold-like infection with a sore throat and runny nose.

    It will be interesting to see how the US plays out because the difference in vaccination rates between the US and UK is significant and the US clearly has major differences regionally, politically, and demographically. The overall difference between US and UK for the over 18 age group is

    87.5% one dose in UK v 67.9% one dose in US
    67.1% fully vaxxed in UK v 59.2% fully vaxxed US
     
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    I also wonder how type of vaccine plays into this
     
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    My 10 yr old niece in Austin got infected with covid by her friends. Her friend's family (some were even vaccinated) all got it from the kid.

    Nothing major symptoms-wise, but yall should probably not send your kids to school if you have any unvaccinated adults.
     
  5. jchu14

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    New hospitalization in Houston jumped up drastically last week according to TMC's data. https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/total-tmc-covid-19-positive-patients-in-hospital/

    For Week of July 12, TMC admitted 100 new covid patients per day compared to 58 per day the week prior.

    I still don't think hospitalization will reach anywhere close to previous peaks. But if you asked me last month, I would 99% sure and now I am only 70% sure.

    I was expecting hospitalization to grow, but not at this rate. Looking at UK data, the ratio of cases to hospitalization was around 14:1 in the 2nd wave in January before vaccination and about 80:1 in the current wave.

    In Houston, the peak of cases was in January at around 4300 cases per day which corresponded to 335 hospitalizations per day, a ratio of 13:1. Last week, there were only new 507 cases/day, yet corresponded to 100 hospitalizations, a ratio of 5:1. It doesn't make any sense at all. I was expecting something closer to 50:1.

    My theory is that it's somehow an artifact of July 4th holiday weekend or maybe a hospital didn't update their data in a timely manner last week and caught up this week.
     
  6. cheke64

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    It's picking up fellas. Even if you're vax you're still getting it but mild symptoms. If your not vax your chances are rough.
     
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  7. Roscoe Arbuckle

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    Considering how contagious this has always been, how has anyone not been exposed to it by now?

    I know I've been around thousands of people this year. And I haven't been sick from anything, although my sneezing is a bit up.
     
  8. Rashmon

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    You seem to be misunderstanding or ignoring the willful ignorance of supporters of our prior president.
     
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    There is a study showing people with having STD's and having those viruses fight off the Covid-19 viruses. Usually resulting mostly with symptoms of a mild cough or sneezing more often.
     
  10. robbie380

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    The vaccine was developed during his presidency thru a major govt backed push. Trump got the vaccine even after having covid. He issued a message to people to get it. In spite of that they aren’t getting it.

    The govt telling people that don’t trust the govt to get a vaccine that they don’t trust isn’t going to make them get a vaccine. You see this same phenomenon with black communities as well. Lack of trust in the govt/medical community is the fundamental issue. People will conjure up all sorts of ridiculous reasons to reinforce that feeling but in my opinion it’s that lack of trust that is the core issue.

    There is also a secondary issue of misjudging risk from covid that has a political angle to it. In general, the left by far overestimates it and the right underestimates it. Pushing bad data to win political points has been endemic to both sides from how I’ve seen it.

    Currently the left is on the correct side of things with pushing vaccines but they are doing it in a fashion that isn’t going to make anyone get vaccinated that currently isn’t willing to do it.

    Then there are Bret Weinstein/Robert Malone types in the vaccine skeptic group who are well educated and not Maga. I think Bret might have got too dug into his perspective but people like him should not be censored. If the data and safety profile of the vaccines is fine then it should hold up to skepticism.

    Active censorship does not generate trust. People saying the VAERS data cannot be trusted does not help either. We have UK yellow card vaccine data that gets into vaccine related deaths and adverse events. It certainly shows the results are much better than catching covid but it also shows a very high number of adverse events and deaths for a vaccine.

    Maybe there is nothing to be done and let the unvaccinated stay that way at least until the vaccine is out of what amounts to phase 3 trials and has full approval with a full list of adverse effects and rates of them. If someone is under the age of 30 and in reasonably good health then having that wait and see point of view is not unreasonable.

    I’ve had covid and had 1 Moderna shot and I am not getting a second shot primarily due to my side effects from the first shot. I won’t qualify as fully vaxxed but there is currently no data showing that I am less protected than someone with 2 vaccine shots that was never infected with covid.

    Lastly, To my knowledge we still have not done a full memory B cell survey to find out truer covid infection rates in the US. You’d think with all the money we are blasting on covid that we could get that done. This would help to model risk profiles for various communities that are resistant to the vaccines.
     
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  11. Roscoe Arbuckle

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    Do you have a link?
     
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  12. robbie380

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    I've been doing jiujitsu/submission wrestling the entire time. I've also been traveling and going out. The gym reopened in May 2020 and I didn't catch covid until Jan 2021. I was definitely around people that caught covid during that time, but I didn't catch it until later. It's clearly an extremely contagious virus, but who knows why it took so long for a group of guys at our gym to get infected. The delta variant is significantly more contagious, but we will see how it travels across the US. The delta variant symptoms are a bit different than the alpha variant too.
     
  13. FrontRunner

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    I don't want to be an alarmist, but my gut tells me Beta's going to make for a long and difficult winter.
     
  14. Jugdish

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    Such a sweet kid.
     
  15. Invisible Fan

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    Do you have a chip on your shoulder?

    https://news.yahoo.com/51-percent-unvaccinated-individuals-think-183243969.html
    51 percent of unvaccinated individuals think the COVID-19 vaccine contains a microchip
    In the latest in head-scratching news, one in five Americans believes the COVID-19 vaccine contains a microchip, a recent Economist/YouGov poll reveals.

    When respondents were asked how likely they thought it to be true that "the U.S. government is using [the vaccine] to microchip the population," 20 percent of U.S. adults said they thought it "definitely/probably true" and 14 percent weren't sure. 66 percent denied such a claim as "definitely/probably false." Notably, when broken down by vaccination status, 51 percent of "vaccine rejectors" believed the microchip theory, as opposed to just 9 percent of those who are fully vaccinated.

    On a more broad level, 85 percent of those who don't want to get vaccinated believed the "threat of the coronavirus was exaggerated for political reasons."

    The Economist and YouGov surveyed 1,500 people between July 10-13, 2021. Results have a margin of error of approximately 3 percent. See more results at YouGov.​
     
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    Drunk night at Ren Fest in 2012 finally pays off.
     
  17. CCity Zero

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    Lol, I've been randomly seeing this mentioned and unfortunately I don't know anyone directly like this because it would be comical... Like there are definitely reasons for people waiting - ie Dr wants you to wait because some health conditions etc. Or maybe a person wants to wait to feel things out because they've already had covid etc etc but this microchip stuff... I mean I realize that some arguments for waiting are shitty and some can be more valid, but a microchip - they should just stop because I'm seriously hoping they're trolling.

    I mean... If mRNA Vax was such a conspiracy I'm certain the gov/aliens w/e magical force a person wants to believe in would already be doing what it wanted (tracking via microchip etc) because it'd be in the water supply/delivered by a non-optional way. - like say when you visit your Dr for another exam. Or do these 51% surveyed forget that their electronics do plenty of tracking on them already (not talking conspiracy but data opt-in/cell tower/nsa etc etc).
     
  18. Amiga

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    I do know, sadly.
     
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    9% of fully vaccinated willing to be chipped. Amazing.
     
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    Man... On your post above this one - after I thought about it, I'm sure the discussions might not be too fun depending on the audience.

    With that said though, this 9% was something that almost seemed more comical. "yeah, I got the vaccine and it's tracking me... but hey, at least I got the vaccine!" or something like that, lol.
     
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