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Jalen Green should be the pick

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Pringles09, Jun 22, 2021.

  1. Reeko

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    and u can say that Jalen Green had just a 102 offensive rating in the G-League, but that is actually quite competitive when compared to many of the top scorers in that league

    KPJr led the G-League in scoring and had a 104 offensive rating

    Jordan Poole was 2nd and had a 98 offensive rating in his 11 games played

    KJ had a 103 offensive rating
     
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    His TS% was .61. My beef with Green is his defense, not his offense.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm saying you're wrong.

    We saw the two play at the same level earlier this year and KPJ was astronomically better than Green. Like, Green didn't belong in the same court with him.

    I know, the excuse is that KPJ was 20 and Green was 19, so we should expect KPJ to be a million times better.... but I don't see Green bridging that gap any time soon.
     
  4. Reeko

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    yeah, his defense will be an issue…especially to start his career until he gets his strength and weight up

    don’t know how much he weighs now, but in the G-League he weighed around 180, and his wingspan is mediocre for his height, so I expect major struggles

    if he can become just adequate, I can live with that
     
  5. Invisible Fan

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    Keith Jones effect.
     
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  6. Reeko

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    So u mean to tell me that Jalen Green couldn’t put up 17 ppg on way below average efficiency as a rookie like KPJr just did in Houston? Because that is the level of scorer KPJr has displayed so far in his career.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    You must be protecting A LOT of improvement from Green between his time in the g league and the moment he becomes s Rocket because KOJ was a much more explosive and talented scorer than Green 5 or 6 months ago.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    He barely did it in the g league.... and he'd be the 3rd option best case scenario. He'll probably average considerably less than that in the NBA against better competition and in a different role.

    Hell if the Rockets can't dump Wall, Green won't even start.
     
  9. coachbadlee

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    Good point.
     
  10. Plowman

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    Nothing? KPjr put up 24/7/7 in the Gleague at 20. Then 50 & 11 at 21yrs old in the NBA against the top defensive guard, JH. It's pretty evident to me watching this kid play..KPjr has IT....in spades. We've seen enough to begin to guess the lofty heights he can reach. A feel for the game..elite court vision/passing..top flight finisher...explosive scorer too. He'll tighten up the J and has big potential defensively as well. Oladipo is gone and they won't allow Wall to impede Kevin's growth, as he needs minutes at PG. Scary stuff for the rest of the League indeed if he can continue his personal growth. Kid's got a big life/career ahead of him.

    Here's hoping Green has a great career, but I think we're better off with Mobley or Cade.....even Suggs and several picks.
     
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    Yes, nothing. Some huge outlier game doesn’t sway me. We’re really gonna sit here and act like 16.6 ppg on 53% TS isn’t something Jalen Green couldn’t do as a rookie?

    a 29% 3 point shooter went and hit 9-15 from 3…a guy who was scoring at a mediocre rate had 1 game over 30 points, the night he dropped 50

    after that 50 point game, he finished up his season shooting 18/44 from the field (41%) and 4/17 from 3 (24%)

    In his 2 years so far in this league, he has been a mediocre scorer, and now the mediocre scoring he’s displayed so far is supposed to be a level way above Jalen Green?
     
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    has there been a single legit source saying we are leaning Mobley?

    I feel like I've only seen Green
     
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    How many teams passed on Curry and Booker because they worried about their defense? Green is much more athletic and quicker than those players. I think he'll be find defensively.
     
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    I see no reason to think Mobley or anyone would be considered over Green, he's by far the most marketable prospect and that's the primary goal in what is likely to be another tanking season, to put butts in seats.
     
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    Just a normal improvement would put him in 20 PPG territory which would be...more than KPJ already.

    He played against grown men and ex NBA players in the G League at 19 Y.O. He is an elite offensive prospect. His issue is that right now, that's the only projection he has.

    But he's the best offensive player in this draft by like....miles. If the Rockets were to draft him, Green would average more points than KPJ next year.
     
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    Lol I wasn't asking for a personal opinion I meant a report by a reputable source
     
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    No....that's not "normal improvement", he's not a 17 points per game player in the NBA, he's a 17 points per game player in the G league.....you know, like KMJ, who then went on to be a 9 points a game player in the NBA.

    KPJ was a 24 points a game scorer in the G league despite really struggling with his shooting and he went on to average under 17 points a game in the NBA, though he showed flashes of being a MUCH better scorer towards the end.

    Scoring 17 points a game in the G league means nothing. Terrence Jones averaged 19 points per game in the D league only to go on to average 5 per game in the NBA. DMo averaged 20 /10 his first season in the D league.

    Basically anyone can put up numbers like that in such a garbage tier league. It's a MASSIVE jump from the G league to the NBA. You can't merely look at how Green did in the G league and think you can ADD to those numbers when projecting his performance in the NBA.

    Jeremy Lin hasn't been good enough for an actual NBA contract in years, yet he averaged 20 points a game in the G league last year.

    There's absolutely no chance Green averages more points per game than KPJ next season. Even in the best possible scenario for Green where Wall is gone and he gets to start next to KPJ, he won't be handling the ball and he'll be the 3rd option on offense at best. KPJ will hook him up with some easy buckets, but you are expecting WAY too much from him.....and not realizing just how much better the NBA is to the G league. The kid is likely to score closer to 10 points per game than 20, and that's me being kind. MANY players scored 19 or 20 points per game in the G league to go on to score 9 or fewer points per game in the NBA and Green wasn't even good enough for that.

    KPJ likely scores about 20 a game. Wood probably scores about 20 a game too.

    I'm on board with drafting Green to put butts in seats and have the team profit off of the hype on the way to another top 5 pick next year, but we need to have more realistic expectations.
     
  18. csc177

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    You can have that same beef with many of the stars in the league who play no defense.

    …I’m hoping he at least tries on defense
     
  19. Houston77

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    if someone told me today Green would end up being “adequate” on D, I’d be all on board.
     
  20. dmoneybangbang

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    Astronomically better? Seems a bit hyperbolic when you could have KPJ was much superior to Green in the G League.

    One played a little bit in college, had played 50 games in the NBA, and then played in the G League while the other went straight high school to G League.
     
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