Not necessarily, as I explained, all the work ethic in the world doesn't matter if you are investing it all attempting to improve on strengths and neglecting your biggest weaknesses. So my opinion is that 1. Coaches always fluff up former players this time of year. 2. Even if true, having a great worth ethic does not guarantee success. 3. Even if he has an amazing work ethic, it does not mean he'll truly focus on defense....he's much more likely to focus his efforts on offense. 4. Even if he focuses on defense in practice, it does not mean he'll start putting forth effort on defense in games. Even if he had defensive skills, his defense still would have been terrible in the G league due to an almost complete lack of effort on that end of the court. Green appears to be the kind of player who is only interested in scoring and I certainly can't guarantee that'll change.
I’ve tried to watch and talk myself into Green but just can’t. I understand that he will likely be a 20-25ppg scorer while healthy/young, and perhaps even better at his prime. My concern is that you need more than a good scoring SG in this league to win. Beal and Lavine are interesting comps...both are stars, but neither have obviously won anything. There are a ton of good scoring SG options year in and year out as well. I think we can only draft Green over Mobley if we think Green will become above average in other facets of his game, like defense, passing/play-making, etc. I understand he has a good bball IQ which is good, but having a good scoring SG is just a small part of what it takes to win in this league, and if all he is going to be is a high scoring guard (with average outputs in other areas), I just don’t see the infatuation. I’m on team Mobley for now, will obviously support either and will be happy to have either, but I think Mobley is pretty clearly the 2nd best prospect in this draft. He grades out in spades in advanced stats, and the only cons on Mobley seem to be incredibly nit picky. Perhaps the same cons are nit picky as well for Green, but if he’s *just* going to be a high octane scoring SG...I think Mobley’s the pick. This is an incredibly deep draft, and I could see Barnes or even Suggs (or another guard) having a better career than Green if he just amounts to a scorer. Anyways, not trying to pick a fight but just my 2 cents.
Mobley looks so good on defense and switching. If you wanna play small ball and spread the floor without sacrificing rebounding, blocking, and inside scoring you can still play this dude. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...-who-could-change-how-we-think-about-big-men/
If he ends up being a high scorer BUT a “B” type of player like Booker or Beal, I still take him because that skill is premium over anything else in today’s NBA. It’s up to Stone to find the CP3s, Aytons, etc. I think a lot of people are thinking we are going to solve our rebuild on just this #2 pick.
1. I dont think Shaw is a fluff kinda guy. 2. At 19 yrs old, if he truly wants to be a great, which according to Shaw he does. Then his defense will have to improve. I'm not worried about this, but I do worry about Green/KPJ pulling a Harden at the strip clubs. 3. I look at a guy with a great work ethic at 19 years old like a piece of clay waiting to be molded and he's got so much untapped potential. This is already with one great skill in place, the ability to put the ball in the basket. Curry has never been a great defender are you saying you wouldn't draft Curry second if he was in this draft and instead would draft Mobley. In today's game the two most important things are 1. Being able to put the ball in the basket. 2. Being able to create for others. Green has shown he can do these things and the other things he needs to learn are teachable things.
How long did he even work with the kid? 6 months tops? Anyway, I would agree that if he was going to be truly great he'd have to work on areas he's not good at like passing, court vision, defense, and becoming a more consistent shooter.....my point is that someone who has always focused exclusively on offense is likely to continue focusing exclusively on offense. Curry is the greatest shooter in the history of the game AND he's a capable ball handler and creator....you can't compare him in any way to Green. We'll see what happens because I'm almost certain he's going to be the pick, he's the most flashy, marketable player and I think Fertitta will want that to put butts in seats since the Rockets aren't going to be any good next season. Hopefully his fans are right and Green ends up "the next Kobe" or whatever, but I'm not holding my breath. Also, you said he's shown the ability to create for others....that's not really something he's good at, like at all. Have we seen him do it? Sure, the same way we've seen Eric Gordon create for others....it's happened, but he's not good at it at all. If Green was even a competent creator for others, I'd be a lot higher on him because that would be one fewer thing he needed to learn from scratch before being a solid player.
I think the recent posts are forgetting that we are no longer a James Harden Team! We are not going to be a ONE star team. In fact I think we will be a three star team. a team with several defensive and offensive players who will specialize. Y
He’d be the best athlete, and he’ll likely be the best scorer in the future. We’ll see how good his playmaking and defense ultimately end up becoming.
Would he? KMJ would have a thing or two to say about that. As to best scorer, for at least the near future that's KPJ and it's not close. He's not a playmaker (for others) or defender.
I think he would…if not, then he’s a close 2nd we’ll see…it’s not like KPJr has shown that he’s some tremendous scorer so far in his career…his shooting and efficiency has been garbage, and he doesn’t get to the line…Jalen Green could easily surpass him as a scorer
I mean, he did score 50 in the NBA, something Green couldn't even do in the G league. While scoring is pretty much the only thing Green can do, he's nowhere near as good at it as KPJ. Now I'm expecting some improvement, but I expect that from both of them. Green should still be a decent 2nd or 3rd option one day.
scored 50, yet somehow averaged just 16.6 ppg for the season his shooting was so bad that he was at 29% from 3 on 129 attempts heading into that Milwaukee game when KPJr was Jalen Green’s age, he was averaging 10 ppg as a freshman in college Jalen Green could certainly put up the 16.6 ppg on 53% TS and a 101 offensive rating that KPJr just did…so not sure why he’s nowhere near as good a scorer as KPJr based off what Porter Jr has shown so far Playmaking? Not close. Scoring? Maybe he blows up in year 3, but KPJr has been nothing special as a scorer so far.
You say that but Jalen Green only managed 17.9 points per game on a 102 offensive rating in the G league. Much like Green KPJ is a streaky shooter, if you look at his last 15 games, he was shooting 38% from 3. All we have is a small sample on Green where he was in more than off, but he could absolutely start off slow like KPJ.
that 17.9 ppg and 102 offensive rating in the G-League is at the same age that KPJr was averaging 10 ppg in college that 38% is significantly impacted by the huge outlier that was the Milwaukee game where a 29% 3 point shooter hit 9/15 from deep…it’s like Russ hitting 9 threes in a game take out that Milwaukee game, and he shot 34% from 3 during that stretch to close the season…not horrible, but still below average sure, Green could start off slow, but so far KPJr is a mediocre, very inefficient scorer…that’s not a high bar for Jalen Green
So you're saying hopefully one day Green could be as good as old man KPJ? Fine, I'm just pointing out its VERY unlikely to be any time soon.
Huh? I’m saying that KPJr has shown nothing so far to act like the difference between him and Jalen Green is astronomical when it comes to scoring. KPJr has not been a good scorer in the NBA, but u talk like he’s been killing it. KPJr just averaged 17 ppg on trash efficiency, and that’s supposed to be a level that a rookie Jalen Green couldn’t possibly reach as a scorer.
Wouldn't go that far. No one on this team is nearly as explosive as Green is *right now* let alone in a few years. The minute he became a Rocket he'd be the most talented scorer on the team. Should they draft him, Green would probably lead the team in scoring as a rookie. He's 19 years old and played against men. Not college players. He's already taken the step forward that Suggs/Mobley/Cade will have to take next year. I'd be shocked if Green didn't average over 20 next year. The other concerns are valid. Hasn't shown to be a willing passer (if the guy was more of a playmaker he'd be going ahead of Cade) and is a question mark defensively. I'd still take Mobley right now but to say Green isn't an elite offensive talent is disingenuous. He'd be the Rockets best offensive player next year. As a rookie.
