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[RT] Asian Carp fish renamed ‘Invasive Carp’ in US over concerns about ‘cultural insensitivity'

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    because after all, when was the last time we had a good ichthyology thread?

    https://www.rt.com/usa/529262-asian-carp-fish-renamed/

    Asian Carp fish is renamed as ‘Invasive Carp’ in US over concerns about ‘cultural insensitivity’
    15 Jul, 2021 10:50

    Asian Carp, a group of several species of carp introduced to the United States from China by Asian farmers in the 1970s, are gradually being renamed in the US as “invasive carp” due to concerns about racist overtones.

    Minnesota agencies were ordered in 2014 to start referring to Asian Carp as Invasive Carp, as politicians questioned the sensitivity of the original name, and now, several years on, other states and organizations have started to follow.

    The US Fish and Wildlife Service reportedly started referring to Asian Carp as Invasive Carp in April, according to AP, while the Asian Carp Regional Coordinating Committee will change its name on August 2.

    In the US, Asian Carp typically refers to four species of the fish: Grass Carp, Silver Carp, Bighead Carp, and Black Carp.

    US Fish and Wildlife Service Great Lakes regional director, Charlie Wooley, claimed the agency “wanted to move away from any terms that cast Asian culture and people in a negative light,” as cases of anti-Asian hate attacks continue to make the news in the US.

    Song Qian, an environmental sciences associate professor at the University of Toledo, also warned that “if you say it's invasive, bad and needs to be eradicated, even though it's because of miscommunication, that's why there's talk about cultural insensitivity.”

     
  2. DonnyMost

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    Before this past year I'd say this was dumb. After this past year I think this makes a lot of sense.
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    sure, but don't you think renaming an "Asian" fish as "Invasive" is still a bit prejudiced? why not another "I" word . . . how about the "Industrious Carp" ??? :cool:
     
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  4. Os Trigonum

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    and I can't believe the fish squeezers are going to let "Superior whitefish" slide . . . I mean, c'mon man

    Superior white supremacists at work:

     
  5. DonnyMost

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    No.
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Minnesota in the vanguard of progressivism as always!
     
  8. Os Trigonum

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    apparently Australia hasn't gotten the memo

     
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    in related news, Australians seek to implement a more woke sensitivity about shark encounters

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/16/shark-attack-negative-encounters-australia/

    Australians want to rebrand shark attacks as ‘negative encounters.’ Survivors don’t necessarily agree.

    Some Australian officials have opted to stop using the word “attack” as a blanket description of all interactions between sharks and people. (John Briley for The Washington Post)
    By Jonathan Edwards
    July 16, 2021| Updated today at 7:31 a.m. EDT

    Movie depictions of bloodthirsty sharks stalking and eating swimmers have given the ocean predators a bad rap, researchers say.

    Now some Australian officials have opted to stop using the word “attack” as a blanket description of all interactions between sharks and people. Instead, they’re now calling them “incidents,” “bites” or, in some cases, “a negative encounter.”

    But not everyone who has encountered a shark is pleased.

    “You can’t sanitize it too much,” Dave Pearson, a spokesman for a survivors’ group called Bite Club, told the Sydney Morning Herald.

    Attendees at a May shark symposium were told the government of Queensland — one of six states in Australia — was for the first time replacing the word “attack” as a catchall to describe every shark-human interaction, Leonardo Guida, a shark biologist with the Australian Marine Conservation Society, told The Washington Post. The state of New South Wales has also started describing what it once called “attacks” as “incidents” or “interactions.”

    And researchers say the changes are long overdue. For years, they’ve argued that using “attack” to describe every case is inaccurate and can lead to emotional, knee-jerk reactions not rooted in science.

    Nearly 40 percent of human-shark incidents involve no injuries at all; often, they’re merely sightings, Chris Pepin-Neff, a senior lecturer at the University of Sydney, told The Post. Even when sharks do bite someone, he said, they are usually exploring.

    They’re not the bloodthirsty monsters trying to gorge themselves on human flesh, he added.

    “Sharks are very curious animals,” Guida said. They “tend to have exploratory bites … and unfortunately — and sometimes tragically — us humans are quite soft.”

    It’s rare for sharks to bite people, and a shark trying to eat a person is almost unheard of, Pepin-Neff said. He said he could think of five times that has happened in the past half-century.

    “The whole arena of shark-bite politics is manipulative,” Pepin-Neff said. “Something terrible happens, and politicians make it worse by using hyped-up … language that describes sharks as movie monsters.”

    That can lead to policies that don’t solve problems — and can hurt sharks, which are becoming increasingly endangered, Pepin-Neff said. A recent study determined the number of sharks found in the open oceans plunged by more than 70 percent in the past 50 years, and three-quarters of species are threatened with extinction, according to BBC News, mainly because of commercial fishing.

    “Hyped-up” language wasn’t always the norm, Pepin-Neff said. Run-ins between people and the 400 million-year-old animals used to be called “shark accidents,” until a prominent surgeon in Sydney received correspondence from the United States urging him to warn the public of the possibility of “shark rabies.” The doctor then wrote a 1933 article concluding the “evidence that sharks will attack man is complete,” according to a study Pepin-Neff co-wrote in 2013 that was published in the Journal of Environmental Studies and Sciences.

    The Sydney surgeon’s 1933 article helped solidify the impression that, when sharks bite people, it’s a “man-eating attack.” The idea held for decades — including after the 1975 Steven Spielberg blockbuster movie “Jaws” came out.

    The message to the public was clear, Pepin-Neff said in the study: Sharks wanted to eat humans.

    But none of it was true, he said, and while exaggerations in Hollywood movies are expected, government officials were perpetuating the myth.

    “You’ve got to tell people the truth; they’re being misled,” Pepin-Neff told The Post for a 2013 article about the study. Though at the time, he said he thought it was unlikely people would stop describing encounters as attacks.

    Eight years later, some in Australia have changed that.

    But Pearson, the Bite Club spokesman, told The Post that while he understands the need for more precise language, sometimes you have to call something what it is.

    And in the case of many shark-human encounters, that is sometimes an attack.

    “If we play down the severity of someone’s experience, it can disregard their trauma,” he said.
     
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    I had some delectable industrial carp at the finest restaurant in all of Bajio on one of my many lucrative business adventures.
     
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    Yep I remember that. On the topic as the article notes "Asian Carp" isn't even a species name but a collective name of a few species so to be accurate they should be referring to them by the particular species.

    Anyway while invasive carp is a big problem for American lakes and rivers this isn't an issue I'm not concerned about the naming issue very much.
     
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    you're either an active anti-racist and support anti-racist policies or you're a racist. there is no middle ground

     
  13. tinman

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    Man people are dumb and sensitive
    Ready for aliens to invade soon

    the majority of the D&D don’t even know what carp is
     
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    I still think this is stupid. Are we gonna rename the African dust so we don't correlate Africans with being dirty?
     
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    Back in the day when we had the place on the Colorado and .22 shells weren't expensive and hard to find, you could sit up above the river bottom where it ran over a rocky spot and got shallow and just plaster carp by the dozen. Worthless fish. Good target practice.
     
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  17. Os Trigonum

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    how do folks feel about black bass? especially the big mouthed ones
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Not surprised this article comes from Russian TV
     
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    who wrote this article? was it @Carl Herrera?
     
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    Yeah, maybe renaming the carp could be an overly sensitive thing to do.

    then again, why does the woke police care about what these carp are called? Seems to be some oversensitivity to others being potentially sensitive.

    Begs the question: what’s worse, the oversensitive asian carp people, or the oversensitive anti woke people who feel the need to use their bandwidth to object to every last thing in the name of anti-wokeness.
     

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