Like I said Detroit is just throwing bait man. To get Cade youd probably throw 23,24, next year pick and thats just the start. Prob have to give them back their pick as well maybe even Tate just to sweeten the pot or w/e. Nobody will blame Detroit if Cade just turns into a good player. But if they trade down and Cade turns into HOF then their GM gonna get fired so they will ask for the moon to cover their ass.
To get Cade, the #2 and 2022+ Detroit protected FRP obligation should be enough to get the job done. 2022 first round draft pick to Houston Detroit's 1st round pick to Houston protected for selections 1-16 in 2022, 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Detroit by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Houston [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020] Detroit can't trade any future FRP until their trade obligation is resolved.
Only if both teams are good with the same person at #2. So if they both were fine with Green or Mobley at 2. Because HOU will have to pick at 2 regardless. Im not sure how the Mavs/Hawks one was done. Maybe they had intel Memphis wasn't going PG in any scenario. Or the Hawks liked Luka/Trae somewhat equally, so after JJJ went 4th and the Mavs called, it was an easy trade for them. Probably definitely have talks in advance... yo, if xyz happens, call us when its time for your pick type thing. All that said, I have no idea what ORL wants to do. They have a glut of both guards and bigs, but so far none of them amazing.
It’s really has to do on how the to FO’s view Cade, Mobley, Green, and Suggs. My eye tells me that Cade, Mobley, and Green are all overrated. Cade because he will not be able to beat many NBA guards off the dribble, Green because his handles are not great and he is an inconsistent shooter, Mobley looks best to me, but his slight frame is a concern. Suggs I think is can’t miss so if trading down I might look to Toronto first and Orlando second. 5,8, and lightly protected first from next year does it for me. Of course, I really trust Stone’s talent assessment, so if he really thinks any of those top 4 are head and shoulders above the rest of the class, then by all means go get the pick you need.
If you look at the tournament as a whole Green and Cunningham has similar up and down numbers. Green didn't perform well in the Gold Medal game but he came up big in the Semis that put the team in the gold medal game while Cade's numbers were ho hum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_FIBA_Under-19_Basketball_World_Cup#Final
Never said Middleton was not a good passer but Cade is more of a true pg and controls the ball more than Middleton. I really like Middleton I just don't see the comp except for body size.
Lol. Small sample size and he was also the youngest player on that U19 squad. The year prior.... As the youngest member of the 2018 USA U17 World Cup Team, led the USA in scoring with 15.7 ppg. and was named tournament MVP despite coming off of the U.S. bench; helped the USA to a gold medal and 7-0 record from June 30-July 8 in Santa Fe, Argentina.
Regardless of team makeup... the argument can be made that it isn't as lopsided as it was a few years ago. Trae Young is no scrub and is still improving... Luka gets all the love and adoration from the media (MVP is a media award) because he's the next white hype. Trae may be a bit behind on defense and his rebounding isn't on par with Luka but he's not built to be a triple double machine like Luka is. Trae's shooting and passing/court vision are still elite and he is still improving on his assist/turnover splits. Again, this is something that can now be debated versus when the trade was originally made and the two guards played their rookie seasons all the way through. Either way, the haul that the Pistons are expecting won't be as hefty as they expect. Again, I would be down for trading our #2 overall, 23 or 24 (their preference), and a heavily protected (top 10 at least) first rounder for the future. That's not a bad get for the first overall pick to move down one spot and still get your guy at #2.
In that scenario, there is still no guarantee that Green drop to #3 or #4... what if we still take him at #2? Then they're stuck with their haul of assets for the next two years, yes.... but now they have to choose between what's left with Mobley and Suggs, who aren't exactly the ideal fit for their current team's construction, which imo is why they want Green so badly. His fit within the current construction of the Pistons would be a more perfect match than adding someone like Cade to the fold. Either way, whether we move up for Cade or get Green as a consolation prize, I'm cool with it. I just don't think the fan boards for the Pistons are being realistic with a slight move up and down the big board from 1 to 2 and vice versa.
We’re in a good position either way I do think that Cunningham is going to be better than Tatum I do think Jalen green is the best 2 guard prospect I’ve seen since Kobe Bryant Now having said that, The chances of him even being 80% of Kobe Bryant are about 50%.. You take Cunningham if you can
nbadraft.net compared him to Eddie Jones and I think a lot of other people are picking it up off that Eddie Jones was not this athletic I don’t think Eddie Jones had these in tangibles either He’s a better prospecting than Jones I don’t like that comparison I like the Zach Lavine Bradley Beal combo He should be really good Eye text says I would definitely take him over Last year’s first pick As well
Green would be rated higher than Edwards entering their respective drafts but I wouldn't take him over Edwards now. People tend to underrate Edwards' talent-level because of a thin draft class, a slow start to his rookie season and minimal visibility in Minnesota. He's in the top 1% for explosiveness/strength/frame/body-control/handle combination for his age. Add in great range and an improving (streaky) J and his offensive ceiling is ridiculous. His superior physical tools also bode well for him on D, assuming he dedicates himself. Also, reports of him not "loving the game" seem to be silly in retrospect. Green is more polished and is a great athlete in his own right, but isn't as freakish physically as Edwards, whose frame holds a good 40+ lbs of muscle over Green's. I think there's a better bet about what you're going to get with Green -- a LaVine/Booker type who can score with the best of them on 3-levels, but with mediocre defense and solid but unspectacular playmaking. Edwards honestly wavered between volume chucker early on and looking like a potentially elite player in the future in the 2nd half of the year (23.8ppg, 5.3rpg, 3.6apg on 46/35/76 splits). And that was at 19 years old. If Minnesota gets some stability for a full season next year, I think he'll keep up that kind of production.
I agree with almost everything you said. They are both the new wave comin in. I just like Jalen greens feel for the game.
