Yea that comparison is weird, most likely due to recency bias and who's still playing in the Finals right now.
Its not a tough position as its not like Detroit is offering up no 1 lol. They are just throwing bait to see if somebody gets desperate and offers like 5 picks for Cade
I can see that but maybe Green will have a better shot from 3 than Ellis did. Contrary to his opinion, Monta Ellis did NOT have it all
Barnes reminds of Ben Simmons who isnt afraid to shoot. Like I said I like Cade more than Mobley but if Orlando wants 2 and is willing to give up 5 and 8 I'm trading down and taking Barnes and somebody else, maybe Moody, Bouknight, Sengun Giddey or Kuminga. His defense, length and athleticism means you get a good player no matter what.
For me I need more juice than 5 & 8. Give me 5, 8 and the pick they got from chicago (2023 Top 4 protected) and that would get the discussion started.
I guess I'm just looking at the quality of this draft. I'd put Barnes and Green on the same level tbh, so if you get an extra pick then thats profit already. The only reason Barnes doesnt get enough hype is cuz the 4 players above are insane. But he would be a top 1-3 draftee in other drafts. Like put him vs Edwards, Wiseman and Lamelo, I think Barnes could easily go no 1. People like Mobley but Barnes is like the forward version of Mobley. Yeah his 3 pt shot needs work but if he had a 35% 3 pt shot I'd take him over Cade lol. His defensive impact is insane he can guard guys 1-5. At least he only has shooting to work on if he has better work ethic than Simmons he's gonna succeed for sure.
Yeah... I really like Barnes. Just wish he could actually shoot. Then he'd be a top 2 pick though. My point was more that you can't be sure Barnes will still be there. And I'm not trading down for 2 of the other guys.
Doncic and Young were famously traded for each other on the night of the 2018 NBA Draft. The Dallas Mavericks traded up from No. ... 3 to select Doncic, swapping picks with the Atlanta Hawks and throwing in a top-five protected pick the next season that ultimately turned into Cam Reddish I can't see how the Pistons ask for more than one of our 20s picks during this draft and we provide perhaps another protected pick next season.... that is a very large perhaps. I don't see how the Pistons gain a huge haul from us for moving up one spot if the Mavs traded one more pick to move up two spots. Yes the number one pick may be more valuable than the third overall pick, but you're still getting a top 2 pick and another first rounder within one of the deepest drafts we've seen in quite some time.
Well if they look at the Hawks theyp'll realize the Hawks made a huge mistake trading Luka for Young. So the Pistons will prob ask for the whole farm to trade down Cade as insurance. They dont wanna look dumb and be jusdged for all eternity.
They can have a deal ready and just trigger it once 4rth pick is made. They dont have to do it in advance they can just have the talks now. I believe thats how most picks are made.
We've developed all of our top picks into superstars basically, and T-Mac while a superstar already turned into a better all around player here, and Drexler turned into a Champion here, and Harden became a 6th man to one the top SG's of all time here. KPj is on his way as the next story. I have faith that whatever player we select, we will have a better chance of developing him into the best player of the top 4. To me there isn't some generational can't miss prospect where he alone will turn whatever franchise into a perennial contender, there's potential franchise players that are close enough in talent and potential that the organization and their development program and staff makes the difference. The Rockets organization will make that difference.
Like some have been saying for a while though, the people who did all that are mostly gone. A lot of the staff is new. The only holdover from that organization is the logo and logos don't develop players. We still have to nail the pick imo.
That's a good point but that trade is probably seen as a baseline by Weaver on what he wants as well as where the picks are situated (1st vs. 3rd), and the perceive "talent drop off" outside of the top four prospects. I don't think Stone is going to send out a lot to move up just one slot (especially if a very good prospect is still at 2 and/or he isn't head over heels for Cade, going against the rumors/reports) and I don't think Weaver is going to take nothing less than a lot to move out of #1 so there's an impasse there. I think it falls into two scenarios: either Detroit keeps their pick and selects the player they want or they move down to 3rd or 4th but netting a huge return back (e.g. the 3rd or 4th plus 2 unprotected 1sts). Driving up the sudden growing availability of the 1st/Cade could make one or two GMs go stupid and give into Weaver's demands.
How so? The trade doesn't "look" as lopsided as everyone projected it to be... the Hawks damn near made the Finals with one of the youngest teams in the league led by Trae... Doncic on the other hand hasn't even made it to the WCF. Take what you can if I'm Detroit and be happy that you got your guy while paying less for him and adding more assets for the future.
Look at Young's stats and efficiency vs Doncic. Luka faced healthy Clippers and he has Porzingis anchor and nobody else on his squad. Young has Capela, Collins and a couple other guys and they faced Philly and NYC with the bad version of Randle. Luka can do everything Trae can do and more. He was in MVP talks in his 3rd year. It doesnt look lopsided only because Atlanta broke the bank, traded for Capela and added 2 top 5 lotto picks lol. Mavs added Porzingis to help Luka.
Isn't John Lucas still with the team? Silas has the rep as a player development coach and overall a players coach. We've got several young guys clearly improving since start of last year. Morey and Tad Brown didn't work out the players. Harden got a system with Morey and a coach to let him do whatever in Dantoni to puff up stats, but he was all time great bound anyway. There has been owner chances and staff turnover from the Rockets inception. From drafting Elvin Hayes, to Rudy T, to Ralph and Hakeem, to Stevie and to a gigantic and massive risk in Yao. All different people around this organization and we always thrive.
I mean if you honestly believe Cade is Grant Hill-esque or reminiscent of Magic freaking Johnson, you trade the hell up to grab him (especially since Detroit is clearly entertaining offers). For me, nothing about Cade screams future hall of famer - but I can be wrong. Sit at 2 and hope Jalen Green becomes the slept on #2 pick that could have gone Number 1 (and ends up being best player in draft)....Like KD's scenario
