3 pt shooting is not Tate’s only weakness. He is a 5 ft 4 inch forward. He is a good rebounder like Tucker, but tall guys get lots of offensive rebounds or tips to teammates over the top of him. He is a really good bench player. If we can get a lottery pick for him you do it.
I would say honestly that’s just not the case . quickness can get just as many rebounds as size . and yes he’s short for the 4 . But I don’t think he’s that small for a general “forward” guy has a good wingspan and thiccness, yet has the lateral speed to keep up with many guards. I think long term ... if his shooting improves you can play him 1-3 or 4 depending on who you have around him. He probably won’t be the best player on a championship team . I just don’t think the 13th is particularly valuable . It’s a decent pick. The reason future firsts are valuable is that they are assets and have unpredictability . Getting a pick you think will be between 10-20 next season is better than 13 right now because you can add it in a trade and not have to take salary back (Imo) We are going to have a guy taken #2 overall. Another first rounder for sure . Kpj who is 21. And Christian wood who maybe we think can be very good . do we want to get those guys playoff experience? Experience on a team that doesn’t only win 20 games ? I would rather avoid a complete rebuild . I would like to enjoy watching rockets games at some point in the next couple of years
I think that is prob his middle. His ceiling is prob a starter who is a complimentary player on a good team.
I know he's short, but let's not exaggerate here!! Tate is a combo forward. He easily fits the SF slot because of his defensive versatility. Watch him stay in front of Lillard defensively and block him straight up. So his height is not much of a concern if he is hitting 3s - because he can play the 3 spot on the offensive end
I would definitely trade Tate in a package for #3 but not for #13! I know, I know….potential of #13, but potential can go both ways, potentially good/great or potentially bad/bust! I’d rather keep Tate at a bargain price and gamble on HIS potential!! Go Rockets!!! ……. ……. …….
I kinda see him as a legit 3rd option .... Kinda a better version of EG , that is assuming he can improve his 3 point percentage to league average or better. He's a better defender , has better handles , is a better passer - doesn't have that tunnel vision that EG does. What he lacks is the 3 point percentage. I really think they should play him more as a guard than a forward and put the ball in his hands as the facilitator more often. He can bully most guards .... Me too .... but I think his potential is a lot higher than some others.
I believe you can get Murphy at 23/24 .... Its Garuba & Thor who I believe are gone before that. I think the perception is that Kispert is more highly regarded over Wieskamp & Murphy and he'll be the first to go.
I agree with all of that. I was saying you don't want a glue guy if you're picking top 5. I also agree on trading Tate, it would really sting, but it's unlikely any player we have today can help us win a ring, aside from picks. I was the first poster after Wood got injured to suggest a trade with Golden State. I got flamed hard for that but it seems a lot of people are jumping on board, including the flamers. It's even tempting to try to trade our 23 and 24 for future 1sts. It's a shame Tilman is too cheap to take some bad contracts. Also since there is no way to win a ring the next two years, keeping Wall is essential. That expiring contract can really bail an owner out and get a decent pick. Unfortunately, the person who wants the savings the most is Tilman. A draft and stash would be ideal as well but those are late 2nd rounders that could Llull us.
According to some of yall no NBA player is worth as much as draft picks, even if they are solid defensively and fully capable on offense with tons of potential left. Ya'll do know there are drafts every year and every year only a few turn out to be rotational and or contributors. But nope, trade Tate for an unproven shot at someone who if we are lucky will produce the same damn thing.
I don’t think that way. I just think this is a deep and talented draft and Tate is at best a solid role player. Just like there is no guarantee that the 13th pick will be great, there is no guarantee that Tate will develop a 3 pt shot. He is a very good defensive player, but he is only signed for 2 years just like Wood and he is not a great defensive rebounder. We were pounded on the boards and partly because our PF was 6’ 4””. I would trade him for 13 straight up if available, because I am very impressed with how Stone evaluates talent and that is selling high on Tate. Not sure that Indy will even do it though.
We get a single draft where we get some early picks and everyone goes stupid, we got lucky last year in landing some pretty damn good young talent out of absolutely nowhere and I'm looking at soo many people willing to part with them for the 13th pick?? Yeah if we can move up do it, but don't part with guys that could be coming back next year even better. It's called development...
It most likely wont be just Tate, they are going to want Tate, 23-24.... If Stone really wants someone ok but don't move several pieces. Please....
I think we keep adding and adding The chance of all the talent we obtain panning out as low. The more chances we take to find success the better off we will be. I personally would like to trade #24 to OKC for their SRPs just at the chance of uncovering the next “Chandlery Parsons” of this draft. The more talent we can find with the hope of some of it starting to fit together. The Llull, Dmo & TWill times are where the Rockets fans are heading back to. The hope and dreams that is the Vipers or yonder youth that never happens —> but it could. The good old days.
Well it's the bird in the hand being worth two in the bush rule. Will Tate be a star.....probably not. But I do have him as a hard working high basketball I.Q. that overachieves despite his size. At 6'4" I have him limited to solid backup to Kenyon Martin Jr. So the Rockets may have the SF position set with KMjr/Tate manning the position. In your scenario you may be gambling on better but fail. We know what we have in Tate......are we picking up a guy at #13 that could be Terrance Jones or Jeremy Lamb. Skills that are good in college but not so good in the NBA? Tate has already made the transition. Giving up picks to obtain said player at #13 may be taking two steps backwards to take one step forward. Plus Tate made Harden furious and PJ Tucker angry.....probably doing something right. P.S. I'm not saying you are wrong.....I just need more details on whom the Rockets are targeting at #13. Some players have potential but lack heart. Ziaire Williams is very suspect from most accounts. Tate is on a cheap contract that would be less than #13 pick
It is a gamble to trade Tate for 13. I think Tate is best suited for the position that KMJ is best suited for (SF). I think KMJ’s upside is much greater than Tate’s. I think it’s worth the gamble that we might get someone that makes a much bigger contribution to a playoff team than a glue guy that we already may have a better option for. I like Tate just don’t think he will be much better than he is right now.
