What? You do know that players have been picked # 1 with even less "tape". I have never seen a player that elicits so much falsehood to prop him up.
@D-rock man, you have to take a step back. You can't get this fired up every time there is a rumor or a choice. There isn't a conspiracy against Mobley, he's just not as exciting of a prospect and therefore more people are going to support the high flying mega star over the sturdy, steady and quiet defensive prospect. You are in a Jalen Green thread and the only people constantly agreeing with you are the kinds of dudes you don't want to be in your corner. I like Jalen significantly more than Mobley at this point but I still understand why you would like Mobley. He's a unique type of player. In the end, we have no control of anything but as you try to paint one side as aggressive or irrational, you are literally metamorphosing into this description. I hope the Rockets pick whoever is the better player in the long run but whether it's Mobley or Green, it's hard to say they made the wrong choice.
He doesn't need me to hype him up. He has 1.2 million followers to do that. Why aren't you this upset about the 50000 or so followers hyping Mobley up?
So social media followers and a "cool" international nickname is the criteria for drafting all our players going forward? Good to know.
I will support whoever the Rockets pick, including Green. I have nothing personal against Green, my beef is with the crazy hype and hit pieces. I appreciate your concern over my mental health but I'm just letting off some steam. Been a while since CF was this active in preparation for draft.
I put a ton of time into researching both and while I'm pretty sure most people doing the hating and hype didn't put in the said work, there is something about Jalen's demeanor and work ethic that I think prevents him from being less than an all-star in the NBA. There is more data on Green available than maybe any prospect ever because he's been famous for so long and the fact that he went to the G-League means teams got to watch him up close for the duration of the bubble. If he is the pick at #2, the Rockets see what I see. If Mobley is the pick, the Rockets have access to a lot more than what I have access too and decided that Evan is going to put in the necessary work to become a dominant force in the this league. I'm just so happy it's the second pick and not the eighteenth.
You and Green's 1.2M followers could be absolutely right. But I still favor BBIQ and 2 way production over demeanor. But I fervently hope that Green is sincere about improving his defense and puts in the appropriate work to make himself a legit 2 way player. I hope to eat crow on that one.
You know he wasn't a bad defender in the bubble right? I don't understand this narrative. He's also an incredibly smart player on the court. I think his biggest area of weakness is he needs to learn how to get others involved better. He's so used to being the only guy who can get a bucket, he goes into tunnel vision. I do believe he will get better at this over time. Mobley, I actually love as a prospect too. I love his passing from the five, I love his versatility defensively and I love how even keeled he is. I do think Green will be the pick in the end so I also hope you eat crow on him.
Not saying Green is a dumb player but his BBIQ is not nearly as advanced as Mobley's. Green is at his best 1v1, offense and defense, or on ball. He is great at seeing ball, attacking ball e.g. passing lanes. But he is less effective almost confused when rotating or switching. Just too slow for a guy with his preternatural speed. And he is just not comfortable defending PnR. If Green is the pick, Rockets need to put as many switchable defenders around him. Because a core unit of Green-Porter-Wood may be exciting to watch but the dearth on defense will be the death of me. I'd like to see Rockets trade up for Kai Jones, Jalen Johnson or Usman Garuba if the pick is Green. I know BPA is the argument for a team as lowly as the Rockets right now but those 3 players would help my peace of mind. Those 3 guys also increase the length/height on Rockets that is also sorely lacking.
@D-rock here is where you and I are clicking. Neither Jalen Green nor Evan Mobley will win a championship on their own and they are purely a piece to the puzzle. This will be a 3-6 year process of putting together the right team. Let's assume both are championship quality players. Do you want to theoretically add a first option on offense or a defensive anchor? It's an interesting thought exercise and something I can get behind either argument. I know Wood/KPJ/Tate/ KJM are all super interesting guys but I just can't pretend to say with certainty that they are in the team's future plans. I have no idea. Let's say that Mobley has a DeAndre Ayton impact and Jalen Green has a Devin Booker impact. Who would you prefer? Now i'm not saying either guy is either guy but I'm just saying impact. It's hard to comp anyone because the goal is for your player to eventually become the comp. No two players are really alike. Devin Booker lost a ton of games. Enough games to be bad enough to get Ayton in a future draft. Ayton and Booker lost a ton of games. Enough games to be bad enough to put together a package to grab Mikal Bridges. None of them won anything until CP3 came in with Jae and put the team into a cohesive unit. Where do you prefer to start?
You have nothing to back this up. All we know is both players clearly show high BBIQ. And that is great.
This question is a good one. And it comes down to each person's own philosophical look at team building. There is no right or wrong answer here.
I agree 100% and that's why I can understand the pick being either guy. Maybe the Rockets see Green and think he can be face of the league electric and his defense will come along. Maybe the Rockets see Mobley and think he can be the best defensive player on the court at any given moment and can provide enough offensively to be a real two way star. No matter who the Rockets choose, they have more access to more data than we do. They also have a real stake in who they choose. Their jobs are on the line.
@tinman You ready for all the GOFs? https://www.rappler.com/sports/nba/how-fil-am-stud-jalen-green-fits-top-five-draft-teams “Regardless of where a tantalizing talent of Green’s caliber lands in the NBA Draft, he will certainly draw in more new Filipino fans to a team not named the Los Angeles Lakers or the Golden State Warriors. His impact was already felt during the Ignite bubble season, as the G League’s social media accounts and YouTube channel received a noticeable surge of followers and viewers from rabid Filipino hoops fans aching to see the next Pinoy do well in the NBA.” I only support & recognize one Green, the true Green, the unofficial official Mayor of Houston
Most NBA players did not get to the highest level in the world without a great work ethic. Green’s just being media hyped as this super work ethic, when I can tell you from watching his lack of rebounding and defensive effort that he is not working any harder than Suggs, Mobley, Cade, etc. We need to throw the hype and noise aside and actually listen to what the tapes show us. Green is a great athlete who takes advantage of that skillset on one and only one aspect of his game….his shots. All other parts of his game are subpar. Like DRock if he gets picked I will support him and hope he surprises me with effort on both sides of the ball (and rebounding).
Only based on my observations watching all 15 Ignite games and watching most of USC games. Both have an effortless playing style. But Mobley has better court vision and he sees the game beyond one pass away. He also has the ability to change speeds depending on defense, Green always plays ultra fast and always looks for his shot first. Mobley is already adept playing multiple defensive schemes, including zone and drop coverage, more importantly he is communicator on switches and is very quick to see and make proper rotations. Mobley really thinks the game. If all the hit pieces are true, that Mobley is not motivated or loves basketball, then he must be a genius because when there is this depth of comprehension it usually involves intense study, preparation and repetition.
So "in your opinion" the guy you like best has better BBIQ. And that's fine but it is only your opinion. NBA Scouts might have other thoughts with how they evaluate the players. I am not saying anything one way or the other.
If you believe my post to be disingenuous then I have no control over that. Feel free to refute anything I said. I welcome insight. At least I'm not misrepresenting people's quotes or conversations to paint falsehoods about Green like Duckett did to Mobley on his recent Space City pooper scooper piece.
I guess I just took issue with you posting the BBIQ thing as fact instead of an opinion. That is all. Who cares what Duckett writes. I haven't said 1 negative thing about Mobley and I know you follow my timeline.
