i dont care who they take as long as they hire great shooting coaches and other mentors to help them develop.... i doubt kawhi ever develops into Kawhi if drafted by sacramento kings
Again I never said he wasnt a project. They both are. You are just making another strawman argument man you need to stop. What crazy proclamation? That Green would've averaged 25 in ncaa? Thats a crazy proclamation? Lol nah man thats just common sense. You got bad shooters scoring 38% from 3 in ncaa Green woulda destroyed that league considering how he fared vs grown ass former college stars.
Nobody averaged 25 in the NCAA last season. Have we forgotten that G League games are 8 minutes longer than NCAA games? Yes, it’s crazy to proclaim how he would have fared in the NCAA. Perhaps he wouldn’t have thrived in a system that required more team ball with less of a pick-up game environment.
Yes, that's crazy. The NCAA games are shorter, slower paced due to a longer shot clock, and teams actually play defense because the players care about winning. You'll almost never see players average that many points at top colleges. There are exceptions, but given he couldn't even do it in the glorified rec league that is the G league....where no defense is played and it's just run and gun hunting for highlights, I think there's basically no chance of it.
Defense is part of highlights man, esp for desperate GLeague players wanting a call up. Green had a target painted on his back being a top recruit, other GLeague know they gonna get some screen time if they could lock him up and shut him down. Green himself had a couple of defensive highlights and everybody said he didnt play any defense.
It's not though. Basically no defense is played in the G league at all similar to an All Star game. Occasionally a tiny bit of defense happens when players get especially sloppy, but that's not real defense, just players being at least partially awake while on the court. Just like Green, no one is going to waste any energy attempting to play real defense, it might get in the way of offensive highlights.
Cade averaged 20 and he is more of a passer/playmaker than a straight scorer. Mobley averaged 17 and people say his offense is underdeveloped compared to his D. Green getting 25 isnt that crazy of a stretch if he focused more on scoring than playmaking. P.S. Max Abnas averaged 24.6 and that dude aint even in the mock drafts dont give me that crap Green can't average 25 wtf
Not every GLeague player is gifted in scoring, its not at all like the All star game. Part of it is similar to All star game where players dont wanna get hurt so they dont make hard contact with each other, but at the same time these players believe all they need is an opportunity to get called to the NBA. They are desp to get that call up cuz the treatment between GLeague and NBA is like heaven and hell, and the existence of 2 new 2 way players make that dream even more achievable. For players like Nwaba for example, they are gonna play hard both on offense and defense while they are on the court in case a scout notices them. Even if he slacks on defense its not like Nwaba gonna be able to do 360 degree windmill dunks on the court so hr will put good effort on both sides to maybe get noticed by somebody. Thats how logic works these players are desp and will play hard because they are desp. If your logic is correct why do 1 and dones play hard in college? They dont care about winning all they care about is their draft stock, all of them leave after 1 year obv they dont care about winning. Offensive highlights are impt for them too to rank up on draft boards so ncaa prospects shouldnt play defense too by your logic.
True, most G league players aren't gifted at anything...that's why they are in the G league instead of the NBA or superior leagues overseas. I've closely watched the G league for a long time now and I'm just telling you how things are and have always been. No defense is played in the G league, it is played in college. I get that in the last few months people have been trying to hype up the G league to make Green look better since he had a fairly mediocre performance, but it's just not going to work on those of us who have followed the league for years. You might as well be trying to hype up a Drew League performance
Well unfortunately most college players are even less gifted than GLeague players cuz the average GLeague player is a former college star. You cant tell me college is somehow harder when literally the top 14 Ucon scorer in history is a random player in the Gleague. I havent really watched NCAA games but someone who tore up the GLeague gonna be a star in the NCAA. Thats what it means to be a higher level league.
It's not really a higher level though. The G league gets basically no top talent from college. Those players go to the NBA or superior leagues overseas. The G league is almost entirely comprised of the left over garbage no one wanted. The top NCAA teams will almost always have more talent than any G league team. Any player good enough to log backup minutes in the NBA will completely destroy the G league, like Hartenstein did, like Terrence Jones did, like DMo did.... Players can go from nothing special in college to G league MVP. The G league doesn't stop being a joke simply because there's a player who skipped college that is being hyped.
^ i think your both wrong about the g league lol. on the one hand, the overall talent in the g league is ABSOLUTELY higher level than college. That’s just true. Given the players, who they were in college, etc. On the other hand, it’s certainly not NBA level competition nor high level Euroleague competition. And because it’s a feeder league with NBA rules and coaches, yet not NBA level talent, the games tend to get sloppy. College rules and system level the playing field A LOT. How? Because of the shorter 3 point line, longer shot clock, difference in how refs call fouls (they are “stricter” so will call more travels, more offensive fouls, etc), fewer fouls allowed, different free throw rules, shorter overall game. As a result the disparity between great players and meh college players is lessened. There’s less space on the court. Coaches can utilize zone more with the less space and just have to keep the game closer for shorter period of time. Conversely in the g league but can look sloppy at times. Because the rules are all NBA rules (for the most part), there is more spacing, etc. it’s not they don’t try hard at defense or play it. It’s that there me still a big disparity in talent. green would look different coming out of college but still be a top prospect.
I don't agree with that, the #2 pick should have to earn that status if not its setting them up for failure. You also don't pick this year with an eye on who you might have a chance on next year.
I think Mobley would've been the slam dunk pick at 1 if this was the same NBA from 10 years ago. You really need elite guards and scoring these days where you can find bigs fairly cheap. Capela, Jarrett Allen to name a few were basically given away the past few years. Wood was signed outright. Obviously Mobley projects to be better than those guys. The bottom line is that the Rockets likely can't sign or trade for a young scorer with Green's scoring potential..James Harden trades don't come along often. They need to draft those guys. Looking at the Suns model (or even the Warriors) they were able to draft their scoring guard and then build the team around that guy. In today's NBA I'd rather build around the Booker archetype(Green) over the Bosh archetype(Mobley). Both could turn out to be stars though...there is no wrong answer.
That's not the premise at all. The premise is if he is not the alpha can he still be a team player and go stand in the corner if its asked of him. You were propping him for refusing to go stand in the corner and I am saying do you want to draft a guy who is all or nothing, if he does not reach alpha status it does mean he is a bust, I have little doubt that Green can be a valuable piece to a championship team and maybe a franchise guy. Unlike some I am not rooting against anybody and it would not make me happy to see anybody fail, I don't know why you would think that. My point was I want a guy who will do whatever to help the team, there is a long list of guys who had the talent and skill but ego got in the way, we have a guy in Wood as a prime example.
The Suns picked Ayton #1. How many years did they pick in the lottery after they picked Booker? I am not saying Ayton is the franchise guy, I am saying they needed him to go up a level.
Opinion presented as fact. Green was set up to destroy G League, didnt happen. Interesting how much groupspeak we are hearing constantly repeating the Greenisms - "grown ass men" "alpha" "idol" etc. I'm getting MAGA flashbacks. And you've just proven my point, YOU not me is the one spouting lies about Green and insisting they are truth. Green did not average 25 in college. No one averaged 25 in college last season. THESE are are truths, undisputed.
Yes, but I'm a risk taker. To be great you have to take risks. I like Mobley too, so don't think because I like Green more that I don't like Mobley.
My point was simply that Mobley is a more flexible piece to the rebuild. Green pigeonholes the team moving forward.
And my point is if Green pigeon holes the team we are doing it wrong. If they draft Green it should have no bearing on future drafts, If another 2 guard is the guy that they think is the best player next year they should draft him, this is a rebuild and you don't put all of your eggs in the Green basket, that goes for Mobley or Cade. There is nothing wrong having a great guy coming off the bench and being able to play crunchtime, one can be traded for other pieces to fit the guy they want to build around.
