Givony: Rockets among teams exploring trading up to #1

A lot of people compare him to Doncic and I get the comparison, Doncic is 6'7", really big pg, but I don't think there was ever was a question about Doncic's handling and shooting and playmaking

I'd actually put Doncic in that 2nd tier of prospects, a lot of the 'questions' about Doncic were just silly things and teams talking themselves out of picking him for whatever reason. Well, by teams I mean specifically the Kings who seemed to look for any and every reason to pass on him...and paid dearly for it.

I think Cade's main appeal, being a PG, is still very much in question whereas that was never really in question for Doncic...if Cade can't be a full-time PG/playmaker then yeah he turns out to be a tall guy that can shoot and handle the ball some, which can still be an all-star and terrific player in the NBA.

Same for Mobley and Green. Mobley has to get bigger and has to find a more consistent offense, if he doesn't though he's still going to be a starting big on teams and might make all defensive teams...while Green has to become a better playmaker and defender but even if he doesn't I'm still pretty confident he'll be a 20ppg scorer in the NBA and a starter for many teams.

All of these guys fall below that level of "This guy is at least an all-star" and they are more on the level of "This guy is at least a starter."

Maybe the Rockets disagree about Cade though and find it's valuable to move up to #1 whatever the price might be...

 

The question is…. What is Detroit willing to give up to trade down to the 2 spot.

 

Detroit isn’t going to trade the #1 pick for anything the Rockets are willing to move.

 

Unless they really want Cunningham. I would give up #2, Detroit's pick, a future 1st and Gordon for Cunningham.

Of course I like Cunningham more than most. Plus for the future 1st you would get cap relief by trading Gordon.

My question is would you attach a 1st in a Porzingis for Wall trade?

 

Unless the Rockets are willing to bet the farm that Cade is the next NBA elite superstar, I don't like that deal (Though I like Cade, I'm not sold on the fact that he is going to be the next Lebron, Kobe, MJ type player... Especially coupling that #2 pick with the 23 and 24 picks, which are pretty darn good assets in what is considered a decently deep draft. Also, Mobley, Green, and Suggs are your typical prototypical body and style players at their respected positions of C/PF, SG/SF, and PG.

I think all three of those guy will eventually be all-stars. Though of course there is a gamble, that the ever deceptive NBA wiry strength (could punish Mobley), or the break ankle NBA speed and elite defenses could negate the positives from Suggs and/or Green.

I frequent NBAdraft.net website, and I'm always amazed at the can't miss prospects having pedestrian careers, which it seems happens more often than not. Some whole draft classes are clunker after clunker; so if the experts are saying this is a good and deep draft, I say stand put... And earn that money scouts!


So, the trade of #2, #23, and #24 might cost someone their job if Cade doesn't shine like an MVP talent.... Other drafts where there is only one clear #1 or the back end of the draft leaves a lot to be desired, I could swing that trade; but in this draft with the options the Rockets have early and late, I'd keep my pick and trust the Rocket Scouts!!!!

 

I hope the media hypes up Green and Mobley to the point that Piston fans want either of them instead of Cade

 

Future 1st with what kind of protections? I'm not sure if Detroit will be thrilled to take back 2 additional years of EGs contract (last year is only partially guaranteed), only to trade down to #2 and get some protected future first. Just curious what you had in mind.

 

I guess it must be pretty boring in Detroit. Here we have a couple of threads debating Green and Mobley; some folks are all in on one or the other player - and it seems will revolt if the other is picked. On top of that, all of a sudden we have a Suggs camp, as he has started to gain traction with a few posters here on Clutchfans (I too am very intrigued by Suggs, as he has proven he can be a pivotal floor general in his season at Gonzaga, I even thought he was a junior or senior until I learned he was merely a freshman - his composure is legit). I think the Rockets are in a very good spot (sure it might be "sweet lemons", as a think any Rocket fan would love to have the # 1 pick, but the NBA draft world has their eyes on Houston and what they are going to do)....

But I agree, you'd be a fool to pass on Cade who is a 6'8" PG and weight is 220 lbs. But, if a GM were to have a gut feeling, and wanted to go after any of the other 3-4 guys who project to be stars, they'd be hard pressed to do so without considerable backlash.


But, I would tread very lightly on how much I'd trade to move up to #1. That is unless the Rockets saw something in Cade that said, he was all but guaranteed to be a generational type talent.

 

Which is going to be tough if it is true that Cade isn't going to work out for them.

If we are actually living in a world where only DET has worked out Cade and seen his medical records and they don't want him, that seems like it would be insane for some other team to roll the dice and take him without that information.

 

If Detroit isn't sold on Cade and know the Rockets and Cleveland want him bad, they could play both teams off each other to get something really good. Maybe give them next years 1st pick that is top 5 protected.

 

Maybe not.

You have to take into account that pick Detroit owes us which is pretty heavily protected. It's not a high value asset to us .... but

Because of that pick , Detroit cannot trade "future" #1 draft picks .... until that pick is conveyed or they recoup it directly.

What is the flexibility of being able to trade future firsts worth ? can't make any mega deals if you can't move first round picks. You are essentially **** outa luck when any superstar becomes available ....

I'd wager the Rockets could get the #1 with that pick and not a whole hell of a lot more simply because of what it allows Detroit to do that they cannot otherwise.

 

If all things are equal you take the TALLER player, we really could use Cunningham - he would fit perfectly with our team - and it would be worth the number 2 and one or maybe 2 other picks.

DD

 

forgot about that pick…yeah, I could see that

that pick is far more valuable to Detroit than it is to us

 

They get their pick back and whatever asset we/they can wrangle from a House trade +#2. Otherwise keep #2 and hold them hostage for 5 years.

 

Not a bad trade at all, The future first is a bit steep. Our rebuild process will take at least two to three years of spinning tires Wall would be gone by then. We need patience but, If that extra first rounder is a deal breaker, I say give it to them.

 

If they are moving away from him then we should sit back and watch; but mostly wonder why?

 

Might make some sense for them. They have Hayes who is 19/20 and a 6'5 PG who showed flashes of promise and was a lottery pick last year. He may very well be a better fit with Green who also has enormous potential on oppose to Cade.

Cade is unique and exciting, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Green end up a star too. He coul also be a buddy hield or something too, but so far I'm on team green and his dleague growth and experience is certainly a part of that gives him an edge for me

 

I'd argue he's a perfect fit for any team as I believe time will show him to be a complmentary player not the guy.

 

After the Philly/Boston trade with Tatum a few years ago, I’d be hesitant giving up anything of value to move to a slot a team is looking to leave, especially when nobody else has seen the workouts.

 

I'd trade both for a prime Durant even.