WOJ: BREAKING Westbrook to Houston for CP3 & Picks!!!

Any chance you guys can let this thread die. It's making my heart skip a beat every time I'm on the main page lol. All I see is "WOJ BREAKING..."

 

Jesus Christ.......... Tilman was complaining about Paul DURING the season and before the all star break.

I don't know what else you want.... the words of the owner of the team and the GM aren't even sufficient.

This is insanity...

 

Not sure if you are aware, but I believe our very own @Haymitch confirmed that @DaBeard will only be convinced via notorized statements from The Beard.

Unless you can produce this documentation, I wouldn't waste my time. Lol

 

NUH UHH! FAKE NEWS! TILMAN MOUTH PIECES!!! TILMAN PAID THEM TO WRITE IT!



Harden & Harden nuthuggers:

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/...e-rockets-if-chris-paul-werent-traded.300446/

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-re...hris-paul-termed-unsalvageable-200951028.html

Harden issued a “him or me” edict following the Rockets’ second-round loss to the Golden State Warriors, sources said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30528130/inside-james-harden-houston-rockets-breaking-point

Harden has pushed the Rockets to upgrade every offseason, saying he would want to be traded if they couldn't contend, sources said. And he had final say on things beyond just travel and practice schedules as well. He could call the shots on personnel moves, both on the roster and the coaching staff, a power he flexed to push for the firing of head coach Kevin McHale and departures of co-stars Dwight Howard and Chris Paul, sources said.

Harden quickly tired of Paul barking about his concerns, which included lobbying coach Mike D'Antoni to implement more structure and movement in an offensive system that revolved around Harden's isolations, sources said.

Rockets management believed those issues could be ironed out and wanted to run it back with the Harden-Paul duo last season. Those plans changed as soon as Westbrook became available.

Harden insisted the Rockets get the deal done, saying he'd demand a trade if they didn't find a way to bring his childhood friend and former OKC teammate to Houston, sources said. The Rockets paid a price that was considered steep at the time -- Paul, 2024 and 2026 first-round picks, and swap rights in 2021 and 2025.

Sources said Westbrook frequently expressed his displeasure during the season with not being able to "play my game," as he put it. There were questions about the Harden-Westbrook fit when they were pushing to play together again, including D'Antoni privately expressing his concerns, sources said.

 

But but but @Nook said its ALL TILMAN FAULT!!!!!!

 

Rockets management believed those issues could be ironed out and wanted to run it back with the Harden-Paul duo last season. Those plans changed as soon as Westbrook became available.

Harden insisted the Rockets get the deal done, saying he'd demand a trade if they didn't find a way to bring his childhood friend and former OKC teammate to Houston, sources said. The Rockets paid a price that was considered steep at the time -- Paul, 2024 and 2026 first-round picks, and swap rights in 2021 and 2025.


sooooooo sources or Morey himself, LMAO. the mental hoops is truly hilarious around here. There's a number of significant folks that have decided to leave this trash led organization. And for good reason. Leaving the worst owner in the league is one of the main ones. Folks can whine and want to blame harden all they want. the real problem remains here. Yall were warned 3 years ago about what was ahead and in store after each of these LTS moves were made over and over and over and all the laughable pickups were done that all the casuals on cf's tried to justify as positive. You're going to continue to see the same problems year in and year out, until that changes. Which it isn't, anytime soon.

I can already see it like decade down the road, folks still blaming harden when hes been long gone and the rockets are still that embarrassing team in the league with the absolute dumbest/worst owner

Morey said of Harden. "When I let him know it probably wasn't going to happen, he was good. He understood. He said, 'Hey, if there's a way to make it happen, let's do it,' but he understands that you can't just snap your fingers and make things happen in the NBA. No one is out there trying to help us. It's always a dynamic when you're trying to get the deal done."

 

Tillman is most of blame (he’s the ****ing owner and meddled in everything) but harden shares some as well. It’s true Tillman was b****ing about Paul’s contract even before.

in hindsight that scoring stretch from
Harden was fun to watch dude was going bonkers but it really screwed the team and integrating CP. in hardens defense it’s also hard to go from scoring everything to letting cp run stuff, and the FO basically catering to him in everythinf

 

just had to say LMFAO at your sig

sheeeesh lol

 

CP3 is a snake, and his teammates hate him

nothing but a flunky for lechina james

straight company man.. got connects all over the league to have these writers write anything to make him look good. Harden just plays ball.

 

Why do we keep picking at this scab?

 

Yes Alex, I'll take moving the goalposts for $5,000.

Also isn't it weird that a user named DaBeard is blaming it on Harden and not Tilman?

I think it's a psychological experiment on how much people can deny blatant and established facts, on the internet.

Clever resurrection of an old take. 'Everyone hates CP3' was mostly just said by LA cholos who were offended that Rondo got smacked up for spitting on guys, who probably turn around and defend Kobe's personality to the death. There have been pages and pages of tweets from players and analysts praising CP3 for this title run.

I'd like to see a list of former teammates that are grateful that they got to play with Harden or Westbrook.

Austin Rivers I guess? But he also praised CP.

CP is way more Kobe and Harden is way more McGrady in terms of on-court personality.

 

its ridiculous.. cp3 was only a rocket for 2 seasons, and he barely played when he was here because he was always injured

rockets fans just want to blame harden for the reason we suck now lol. You took harden for granted all these years, never locked the "trade harden" thread in the GARM, and when harden finally got traded this forum was happy till the subsequent 20 game losing streak happened. Then the finger pointing started.

For years yall wanted to rebuild on this board, you are rebuilding but yet you still bring up harden and cp3 pretty much everyday. The draft is coming up we have the number 2 pick in the draft.. MOVE ON

 

Yep, he let it be known that he felt Paul was the "worst contract hes seen in business or sports"

-He once again, as he often stupidly does, volunteered to goto the press to break down his brilliance. First time he bragged, ver batum, that the basketabll ops team was "weak" on the trade and he pushed it through...as you know, to find that retarted "5 percent" phrase that he thinks sounds so brilliant to sell his books.

then he went to the press about MDA,s coaching negotiations in 2019:

"I think his agent did me a favor, OK," Fertitta said at the media availability, explaining that he now had an easy out if the Rockets had a disappointing year and decided to move on from D'Antoni.

That's typically not the kind of comment made out loud, much less to the media, by an owner who is attempting to defuse drama. Of course, it's also an unusual approach to point out a coach's age and publicly wonder whether he wanted to continue working beyond next season, as Fertitta did when asked by the Houston Chronicle weeks earlier about a potential extension. That prompted the 68-year-old D'Antoni to make it clear that he planned to coach "at a high level for at least another three years."

Nor is it normal NBA business practice to spill the specifics of an offer that wasn't accepted. Fertitta volunteered that the "great extension offer" he made D'Antoni included a $5 million base salary -- below market value for a coach of his stature -- and $1 million in incentives for each playoff round won.

Fertitta failed to mention the buyout language that guaranteed D'Antoni only half of his base salary if the Rockets fired him before the extension began. That was the primary sticking point for D'Antoni, who hoped for a commitment of two more seasons beyond this contract and never seriously considered a half-hearted offer of one more year."


-He isn't a one trick pony, you can see his fot in the mouth moments even in the business world:


"
TM: What would you like to see in it?

TF: I don’t know. I really haven’t counted on the government. I’m not one of the largest companies in America and I’m not one of the smallest. When it’s all over with, you can write an article [saying] that I survived and I didn’t get any help from the government."

Followed by:




Furthermore, if you want more evidence of his lack of self awareness. Goto the Toyota center where even before the harden trade, Tilman was featured more prominently and multiple times.

Go find other owners like this...cuban is outspoken, but self aware. Dolan is not self aware, meddles, has a massive ego, but also is insanely prices and reserves his money card to force his music on us. Tilman is essential a Dollar Value Dolan. He will point fingers, lie, blame, but also won't spend.

But remember, these are the same people who when tilman said we "accidentally got under the tax, and we have no way to know how(we included a first round pick, doesn't happen accidentally...thats more than we got for oladipo.) exact quote:

"“Last year (getting under the luxury tax) was a fluke. We were going to be in the (tax). It was an accident. I’m still trying to figure out how we got under. I was positive we were going to be in it by $11 million. But if I’m in the luxury tax, I expect us to win.”


ITs quite comical the gymnastics these people go for someone as unimportant to the Houston Rockets brand as the owner...as in they provide finances, they don't generate revenue, and theres always a line of billionaires who would happily take these numbers and have their legacy or showcase asset in this 30 member exclusive club

I'd imagine the people defending tilman are the same type of people who might goto a restaurant or busness, see that the owner maybe cost cuctted, cheaped out, or watered down the product to make his bottom line and then blame the manager or employees who are just following that mandate and have no Final say.

 

Alright folks, how about we hear it from Chris Paul's mouth himself of what led to the downfall of that Rockets squad:

Former Houston Rockets guard Chris Paul was on the Knuckleheads podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson and explained the impact of the Rockets losing Ariza.

“People don’t realize, that’s the biggest thing that we missed. That was tough when we lost [Ariza] because he sorta was like the glue. He was that glue for our team.”


I suppose for casuals, espn, they can only see it at an elementary level. He pushed him, so he pushed him, rather than seeing the first domino of the fight and understand why things happen. Cohesion matters, chemistry matters. Beyon the players, staff, cuclture that affect the functioning of any working environment. Ayton has played amazing this year, you can't ignore his stats as an individal matter. he himself just said Chris Paul was the best thing to happen to his career. That veteran leadership, having clout an respect to demand more or have your teammates in line are important.
Ariza had the voice, respect, clout to say what he wanted to both Harden aNd paul. As paul said, he as the glue...let alone our defensive leader, best switch defender, locker room veteran and formet champion. Its hard to quantify all those into stats.

Furthermore, go back in nba history. Imagine the other veterans who weren't headliners or 'worth' their contracts that made vital plays to win rings: PAxon, KErr, Fisher, Elie, Horry, Kenny smith. Clevelan over pays Tristan, JR, Klove in ways they are still paying for it, Toronto paid for an Aging gasol even ater leonard left...the price of a title, the par of competing is raising with growing money in the league. Rich paul rececntly said it:
Paul said, via Chotiner:

"'I educated [Davis] on why I thought the team wouldn't be . . . ' He paused. 'All athletes are competitive and confident, until reality sets in. And I educated him on things.'

Paul laid out what superstars need to see from teams to give a long-term commitment.

"You either need your team in place, or you need flexibility, assets, money, and the ability to make decisions. And, more important, the willingness to pay the [luxury] tax ... This ain't 'Moneyball.'"

Paul was referring to a team either being ready to compete, having future flexibility to improve the team, and being willing to pay the so-called luxury tax for spending over the salary cap. According to Chotiner, the Pelicans were not willing to pay it at the time and thus kept their payroll below a certain level.


So how mayn 1A stars are going to come to houston under that measurement? How many would stay in houston if we drafted them...but you guys keep defending the new culture of Landry's rockets...there are literal quotes of him lying to us as fans, yet for some reason some people still want to bend over and you betchya that tilman will sell that snake oil like a used car salesman to whoever is stupid enough to still buy it despite the evidence.

Harden ain't blameless, neither is paul, neither is morey...but the trajecctory, the tax mandate that was so restrictive to our window..that trajectory and the fastest burn down of nba history all points to FerCheeto.

"

And that was the one thing that Morey never really had. According to the cap numbers at Spotrac, which go back to the 2010-11 season, the Rockets barely went over the luxury tax (just $3.65 million over) in their one season (2015-16) as a taxpayer. The Warriors spent $49.63 million in penalties over the last five seasons, while even the small-market Thunder spent $33.73 million. There was no excuse for Houston to not open up the checkbook. This is a franchise located in the fourth-biggest metro area in the U.S. that has had a superstar in the prime of his career. Alexander sat on his hands while Houston’s rivals went all in, counting on Morey’s ability to use advanced statistics to turn water into wine.


This refusal to spend money became farcical once Alexander sold the team to Tilman Fertitta in 2017. Fertitta spent so much money ($2.2 billion) to purchase the Rockets that he may not have had the liquidity to go into the red to build a title contender. Houston was a laughingstock around the league for the amount of juggling it had to do to stay under the tax. The best example came at the trade deadline last season, when Morey used a future first-round pick to shed the salaries of Brandon Knight and Marquese Chriss. There was no basketball reason for the move. It was just done to cut costs. It’s not that Knight and Chriss would have helped the Rockets. But there were certainly a lot of better things that Morey could have used that pick for.

Houston also spent that season in a bizarre staring contest with Danuel House Jr. House is the kind of diamond in the rough that Morey routinely uncovered in Houston, an undrafted free agent on a two-way contract who would become a starting-caliber wing. The problem was that players on those deals can spend only 45 days with the NBA team during the season before their contracts have to be converted. Money in Houston was so tight that Morey had to send House back to the G League when he wouldn’t sign a below-market long-term deal. He replaced House with two players he signed off the street (Gerald Green and Kenneth Faried) before bringing him back right before the playoffs. It’s not like House was asking for the world. He signed a three-year, $11 million contract in the offseason. But even that was more than Morey could offer at the time.

Houston’s limited financial flexibility became an even bigger issue last season after the trade for Westbrook. With the team’s two best players costing a combined $76.7 million, it became almost impossible for Morey to fill out the roster while staying under the luxury tax. Morey and head coach Mike D’Antoni had to conjure up production from players other teams didn’t want. Jeff Green went from being cut by the Jazz to being a crucial piece of the Rockets’ small-ball attack in the playoffs. It was the same story with Austin Rivers, who had been on three teams in five seasons before landing in Houston, and Ben McLemore, who had one foot out of the NBA before the Rockets turned him into a 3-point sniper. All were more valuable in Houston than anywhere else in the league because Morey identified what they could do well and put them in roles that didn’t ask them to do much else."

So yea, you can track 90 percent of our moves...they weren't morey's incentive. As in for his job it gave him no future flexiblity, no money to play with. Wasn't good for the team to lose depth and leaderhsip, not for the coach...hell not for the fans who had prices raised on em. Those savings went to one man, unless you believe that harden and morey's real goal and their heart was in it to make Tilman money while they don't rest and play cray useage when the rest of the stars do...then lol. Theres a reason you can look aroun the league to fnd the last time the CEO, GM all left multiple mllons and years on their contract, Stars left their homes, along with almost any veteran or someone with clout as well as a Coach and associate head coach leaving without so much as a negotation with tilman again. You guys would be great landry's employees, shut up and listen, an Dollar value Dolan always right. Comical.

 

Chris Paul was traded to the Rockets for Lou Williams
Montrezl Harrell
Patrick Beverley

Chris Paul should've signed with the Rockets as a Free Agent. The Rockets lost 3 huge Bench Pieces. Chris Paul got injured for this reason. He got greedy, the team paid for it.

Chris Paul was way overpaid, missed around 50 games each year til 2019 it seems like was always overweight.
Never took losing weight seriously.

I think being traded to OKC was a huge wakeup call to him personally.
At OKC there nothing to do but workout and play basketball, no distraction.

 

what a stupid post. First of all the rockets didn't even have room to sign cp3 as a FA

you know the main reason cp3 did the rockets a favor and opted in. That allowed Houston to acquire Paul without dipping into cap space

Houston will keep its full mid-level exception ($8.4 million), bi-annual exception ($3.2 million) and a significant trade exception.

this is one of the reasons I love bumping this thread. folks like who have no clue wtf they're talking about

 

chris paul...couldn't have sigend as a free agent. We didn't have the space. The sign and trade was done as a favor and its a very rare oppportunity to get a super star. We lost 3 role players, important, but once again we got a super star who can create and be another centerpiece which in modern nba is more and more necessary to have multiple weapons.

Chris paul would've gotten the max from every nba owner who isn't an idiot. Are you paying attention the contracts and how player friendly it is for the nba? I would've lvoed for harden an everyone else take less money, we can sing Kumbaya on the outdoor court outside TC together, welcome to the NBA, son. Its a billion dollar growing business, if you cacn't handle the heat...go check out the Rio Grand Valley team

 

Dumbasses who blame everything solely on Harden and Morey.
The owner especially a hands on, huge ego one like tilman has the last say in every decision.

U think an owner that plaster his face twice in the same mural will let his superstar and gm do anything without him giving the final okay? Delusional fks that defends this cheap ass dude for God knows y.

It was a team fk up, move on and stop btching about the past cause tilman will always b ducking luxury taxes.

 

Both sides that say 100% TF or 100% hardne wrong.

both share blame, Tillman the bulk

 

Fixed.