Trump's Taxes - Turns out - the man is a fraud and deeply in debt!

Hunter Biden = sleazy and very troubled
Trump = stable genius and business savvy

 

I think thats the issue I'm trying to make. IT isn't even about a comparasion to trump. I think politicis if not brings about and draws a self selected lying type, it at least churns them out even when you come into the system ideal over team. So I think trump is an easy con, you can see him contradict himself and even make fun of his most popular sayings of of drain the swamp etc. Hes a reality tv show guy and thats exactly what we got. His several bankruptcies, his own manufacturing take place in china, just adds insult that this is the guy they thought could change it.

the point I was saying is any politician has to be held accountable but when you cite any othem, the tribal nature of politics just points to the finger says what about rather tahn accepting it.

Its not ok that ivanka got her patents, that they continued to funnell money through the foundatiosn and hotels to the trumps while somehow selling to poeple that they forfeitted their 400k salary, lol they probably made 10s of millions of tax payer improvements to mar-a-lago just bc he went through there so often.

I get the father son dynamic. I Respect that puts joe in a hard position, but yet still this is the american tax payers. I'm a beliveer that anyone we entrust with the awesome power and priveleges over public resources should be held to the highest standard, that goes for cops, judges, local official,s upto the president,senate, and congress.

I'm not making a case that joe is some evil cabal like the conspiracy cases, I'm looking at his costly policy. Let alone the first time he ran for president he had to leave because he blantantly lied about verifiable record and then further more copied a speech(its all on video, both these instances). But further more that he was not just a champion and spokesprson to lead the way on mass incarceration, on heavy police issues we see to this very day. You can go find him supporting an iraqi bombing in the 90s too...bosnia...yep, and ofcourse the iraq war. Now you bring up the bible, the other issue is the hyporcisy that he continues to boot even qualified staffers from the white house if they smoked weed, a barometer his VP and former President wouldn't have passed. Yet he continues even last year to call it a gateway drug when so many motehrs,fathers,kids,brotehrs that are non violent are being put to jail at the cost of 30-80k to the tax payer. it doesn't make sense as a society, doesn't make sense in economics. Then the TPP. His executive decision making history has me questioning him as much as anything. it isn't some conspiracy.

So the answer to it isn't about comparasion, in this world thats not black/white. Yes trump can be a corrupt con man, and biden can be a typical variety standard take care of me first politician. Yes we have two choices only so vote accordingly sadly, but when they are in office, thechecks balances the holding everyone accountable s the way to go.

 

They are both sleazy and walk the line of legality. Doesn't have to be either/or

 

I agree. IT was the most embarassing thing for america to sit and see this show:


notice anyone different here that might not belong

how about how many policies are done liek this, daddy can I:


Then we go into Trump screaming at hilary, rightfully so, for ironically takng saudi money for her women's empowerment fund. Then Ivanka goes and does the ...exact same thing.

Then Jared, the original full house college scandal. He was written about even before anyone knew about him when he got into college and his own advisors in school were dumbfounded since he was a C /average student, but his dad-who had no ties to harvard- donated 2 million, coincidentally the two mediocre sons got into harvard after that.

So like trump, like Kim jong, MBS...they seem to be drawn to people born on 3rd base and think they hit a triple.

Jared was in charge of half the major intiitiavees. he had no accountability and could wheel an deal and during the pandeimc it was known you had a leg up if you had Jared's number. This is real democratic stuff right?

Further more, this is the guy who with his fathers billion bought a print magazine right as the internet was taking over...did terrible...he paid a recor price for a 6th ave high rise...right before the crash and then go figure..when payments were due on it, Qatar bailed him out...after a meeting with them politically...

Lke I said, all that can be true and biden can still have some sketchy relationships which allow his delaware to become such a tax haven while he was a decades old senator. That private prisons flourished, militarization of police, the drug war killed lower income commuties while wasting so so many tax resources, so mny police resources on people doing far less than what hunter biden is doing where he has avoided jail and biden asked for 'compassion' that he didn't extend to his own staff, this very year ironically. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/19/politics/biden-white-house-staff-mar1juana/index.html....Then the costly stuff beyond those terrible drug wars and domestic policies, yea he was a huge proponent for TPP, he also supported and was hawkish in almost all militar including calling for iraqi war before Bush even

his policies, his history and habits also make a strong case that maybe we should think twice on his executive decisions. That regardless of if he seems like a nice enough guy. Trumps corruption was more blantant and absurd, biden has decades policy of bad decisions too. In any case, Americans deserve better and more so we should have our right in both cases to hold accountability ,checks, and balances

he was lying about his admissions, his grades, performance, how many credits he has, also how many degrees he has....yep:

 

yeah one has cult following who violently stormed the capitol, politicians who are too afraid to open an investigation on, and is still running for 2024

while the other no one cares about

 

Dem voters knew that Biden had a long record, and everyone knows that everyone was for Iraq sans a few like Bernie. Everyone understands how Biden adapted to where things were at the time, and remembered him mostly during the Obama years, and that goodwill overshadowed his Senate record from 30 years ago.

But the fact is Dems and Independents voted him in to get a job done. Most of that job was about restoring a democratic process, but also to get good legislation passed. I think if the Infrastructure Jobs Bill passes, that's a pretty solid indication of what he'll be judged by.

Even Ted Cruz said that the Hunter Biden story doesn't move one single voter. I don't think that's because Americans excuse corruption though, but because they feel like the people in DC are not there working for them so there is context around the big picture. So the reason why the Hunter Biden story doesn't work (Other than the fact that there's nothing factually verified about it, and we are relying on Rudy Guiliani nonsense as the source) is because people understand where Biden's priorities lie, and they know that infrastructure is important. They know that Climate ultimately is important and hopefully will be next up. They know Biden will (hopefully) pass legislation. They also know that Biden won't do nothing but sign Cancel Culture or Racially driven executive orders like Trump did, and only have one legislative bill passed which gave tax breaks to billionaires.

The difference though is that if Biden actually breaks a law, or does a truly impeachable act like a quid pro quo like holding out foreign aid in order to get political help from an allie, Democrats WILL NOT stand in the way of getting Biden out of office in order to get someone in that can do the job without corruption. With Trump and the right wing, it's all about Trump, and owning the libs. Nothing is about actually governing unless it's governing in order to impose your radical beliefs on everyone else.

 

fify

 

I think joe was voted because trump was abyssmal. It was to get trump out. Similarly in 2016, many people were open more to the mystery of Trump because of hillary, to vote against her. This year we saw what a Reality show Trump has made america, and most people are voting him out. Thats why Biden was struggling through the primary before SC. Thats why Biden got killed in his first two presidential runs to the point where he was not a serious contender. He was a viable, centrist, unoffending candidate to most who had the obama wash and most importantly they thought he can bring in republicans and independents who were sick of trump. It works, glad it did. Now biden has power and his decades of bad policy are at the forfront.

remember this is a guy just last year said we need to research mar1juana as a gateway drug. That policy and line while he touts compassion for his drug addicted son, but continues to allow his own staff to get kicked out of something obama,clinton,bush, and kamala all laughed about, more so people around the country continue to get incarcerated for. Society cost of taking those people, often low income, and removing them from their communities and families is as consequential as you would imagine that someone formative to your development, sister brother moter father, being incarcerated for basically having the equivalent of a drunk .Now we also lose their potential tax dollars, and we pay 30-80k to prisons to incarccerate non violent offenders also hurting their future potential income an then the development of anyone in their family.

Further more we spend 100billion plus on DEA to enforce a non violent drug. Hurt community police relations by polices like that, and then also hurt resources towards actual violent crime due to something frivolous like this. Worse off, if we legalize and tax it we get money to the community, more so we won't sell to youth like gangs do, and we cut out a major source of income for gangs which hurts violence and helps communities.

Its all around common sense except to the politiicans whose primary goal is self preservence .

We are not relying on rudy's nonsense(hes an absolute crackpot) we are going by an actual laptop with intimate pictures, a laptop where biden himself admits very well could be he is an he is so wasted he doesnt recall with pictures of him in his underwear...none of that is indicting, embarassing, but I don't care. but then his own business partner admitted that the 'big guy' was biden. Hes apart of a 10 billion fund from china to where he adds nothing but introduction an a famous name, likewise in ukraine.


I don't get why dems excuse this stuff. There is so so so much talent on the roster and they are leaving it out and jumping excuses that just lower the bar for ethics that allow trump family to do the same when you have klobuchar, pete, stacy abrams, katie porter, just so many more vaiable peope with a stronger charasmatic voice. Biden with all his flaws as the final decision maker can use his patriotic experience to be apart of the cabinet and help deals get done. I agree, most don't care how washington works because they don't feel it works for them. ITs amazing when congress and senate have such embrassing polling numbers, but htey can pull together and use tribalism to get reelected even if the americans don't believe in their purpose. I hope we can break that support your party blindly mentality to behonest.

So yea, washington hasn't really worked well for hte people. It has the tracks to do so, but the current climate is of self preserving private jet politicans working in cahoots with a polarized media and they show up for photo ops and election season while continuing to sell out ear marks, amendments, and bills to whoever is funding them until they can't do so anymore.

Any dems won't stand in the way? I think both situation wouldn't have held up in the court of law but did you see them go at Justic Kav? And then when the same evidence came against biden, it was a totally different. Both cases wouldn't have held up, they are both alarming, but not damning legally, but you can see the tribalism at work.

What about Chris Cuomo? hes still riding high with approval rates while he essentially runs a Trump like Mob in california threatening local lawmakers, widespread corruption and lies, yet hes a 'winner' still an people got silent pretty damn fast now that hes shown he has staying power...ethics be damned.

 

haha, I meant fredo's brother...What a crackpot team.

I recall some people a year ago after watching the brotherly love covers on cnn say we need someone like Gov cuomo...and having worked in nyc some decade ago, I Recall even at that time him and albany itself being known as a cespool of corruption with a mob like hard fist and i just shook my head how people will rebrand and buy anything. Sure enough months later cacme out that he was working hard...at covering up and misleading the public on nursing homes...and he said he had no time to look at those details, but he did have time to write a god damn book and market that, goto the oscars and get a lifetime award....

these people, almost all sides, are just clowns in a clownshow. Lets go america, we can do better...the republicans and the democrats..they aren't sending us their best.

 

I have it on good authority:

 

it would be the second coming of trump, maybe not as overtly as dumb, equally sociopathic about a Me First agenda...and likewise his tribe,base,party will eat it all up and forgive any contradictory evidence. Somehow they'll paint him as the liberal messiah, just like republicans did with trump as some sort of true conservative when he has no sense of fiscal responsibility(Of course he lied that he would fix the budget defict easily...ol bc "he has a plan" and then precedeed to outspend even Obama)...or that hes all about bringing troops home and then sent some to god damn Saudi Arabia...saying they paid for it. Or how they somehow choose that the constitituion is something you can pick and choose...they are big constitutionalist when it comes to the 2nd amendment, rightfully so...but the right to protest or right of free speech, well then you better do it in a way that doesn't offend their snowflake North Korea version of american loyalty. Man I tell ya, what a racket, its lke the blind finding the deaf.

 

Certainly Biden's not perfect and he's had a questionable relationship with the truth especially when he speaks off the cuff on the campaign trail but he and his family are not nearly the same as the Trump family, which this thread is about. I'm not really sure why you feel then it is necessary to bring up all the stuff about Biden.

Let me ask you this. Do you think that Biden and his family are as bad or worse than Trump and his family?

 

Trumps admits to 15 year scheme to dodge millions of dollars in taxes

But Hunter, Hunter, Hunter!

But Joe, Joe, Joe!

 

Thats teh same thing trump's family says...."hes not perfet" maybe he can say things nicer...nah that aint it. Just like biden is a terrible public speaker in a god damn job that really puts that to the forfront, similarly how they tried to brand hilary as a "policy wonk" for her lack of charisma,when you can be a policy wonk as a high level cabinet member and get the job and impact done rather than the president which actually requires you to be a good public speaker...thats not the worst of it.

the policies are bad, are they unforgivable ? no, we have a cespool of politicians and almost none of them have clean hands, so I'm willing to see of course and hope for the best, but you really gotta hold fire to the feet as americans otherwie these guys are almost always surrounded by special interest and even when they are not, biden has shown in his track record hes got so so so much wrong/ to the tune that has cost tax payers trillions in war cost, domestic drug war cost, jailing and further more millions in lives dead or jailed that could've not been. ....thats pretty damning reason to say, keep an eye on this guy rather than fall for some od idea hes just silly "uncle joe" back as they tried to sell Geoge bush as the "cool guy you want to have a beer with" then look at his actual damning terrible policy!

So the whole argument when calling out his track record is, but hes not trump. I get that. I think trump was dangerously sociopathic, republican conservatives be damned, america be damned, its a trump first world and he will burn anyone in the way. Sadly he was write that his voters won't care if he killed someone in front of them and thats why he "loves the poorly educated" hilarious phrasing by him as he always brags about being an ivy league president himself, so further distancing from his voters who his old friend howard stern mentioned he wouldn't let in his own damn club or want to be seen with em.

So I don't see it as a binary choice. I see that in voting this pst time and I'd give the edge to biden over trump only because I'd literally consider a ****ign dog over trump his abuse on cheks and balances, the constitituion, and half his words are lies...he didn't get all of it wrong, I Agree with his aggression on china, but like most of his reality show musings, it was short of on actual plans or depth just words...likewise about foreign wars, once again didn't do great with that one...He critisized Saudi rightfully when running which gave me a glimmer of hope, but like almost every other politician bowed down to them once he got in power and they kept the money flowing.

So I don't care if biden or trumps family is worse. I'd give the eedge to Trump's family on how overt it was of them basically replacing the swamp withthemsleves. ITs an absolute embarassment watchcing now a clear flow of money into trump hotel in DC...it was embarassing when he had the ginspector general change FBI's plans to move to a new campus and lease out their building just like trump leased his hotel from the federal govertnemnt,but they changed it and low and behold, no competition for trump's hotel. China's dealings with ivanka and then the over lies on the pandeimc while telling people he respects one thing privately(bob woodward) then telling people he doesn't respect, his own supporters, the total opposite.

None of that changes biden's own track record of dangerous wars, domestic and abroad, his openness to lie, his ability to chcange the conversation on asking for compassion for his drug addict son who capitalizes on his name, while letting poor folks continue to get jailed and further more highly qualified folks to get kicked out of the white house for a standard that would've had obama, clinton,bush, and kamala all kicked ou out.

So yea, they both suck pretty bad, americans deserve better and we should hold them BOTH accountable, its not that hard unless people see it like the media sees it two totally different sides, polarized tribalism where teh losers are the american people pointing fingers and saying what about and the winners are the perserverance of some political brands and the news media

 

wait, I missed this. do you have a link? thanks

 

hunters got some terrible bones, dude was a registered lobbyist and even in his own book most of his dealins are purely selfish, american trust be damned hes going to milk his dad's name...it aint new, doesnt make it right. likewise doesn't make it right for Ivanka and jared to be made the funcitoning prince and princess of america, but worse of they actually have policy power...sad people cheered it on like idiots on the right.

Any corruption or abuse of american's trust should be handled, be it trump, be it biden..it aint that hard

 

when you think about it, it's really touching that people devote so much time and energy to defending young Hunter's honor. it restores my faith in the essential goodness of people

 

Yes we should hold both accountable but again this is a thread about Trump. Other than "whataboutism" I'm not sure what all of this really adds to the topic. By your own admission Biden is superior to Trump and you don't seem to be providing a counter argument to why Trump migth not be that bad or that Biden is on par with Trump so we can put Trump in a recent historical context.

All of this comes off as verbosity that isn't really on subject.

 

he and his sons said those are just "corporate cars" which are "normal" so he's aware and admits to the scheme itself

LOL high energy