(IG Live) Jalen Green on a potential KPJ-Green backcourt, "Kp know thats a scary backcourt"

Idk about that. If Harty had gotten eligibility and played college ball last year I would bet he'd have been POY.

 

What makes AD "shoot like a guard". Most great PF's like Garnett and Bosh, Duncan had a great shooting touch from the mid range.

Davis doesn't play any differently. What makes Davis different is that he's 6'9 with a 7.6 wingspan and extremely quick and explosive. But from a pure playing perspective, he's not playing any different. He gets most of his points the old fashioned way in the mid range, high post dribble drives, catching lobs. He's not reinventing the wheel in any way.

 

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I'm fine taking Green or Mobley, whoever they think is better.

I'm not OK with the Rockets making any plans that involve Porter Jr right now. If he can show he's a grown man who will be a professional on and off the court, then you can start making plans with him in them. But as far as I'm concerned he's just a lottery ticket that may or may not be with the franchise very long. We need to be prepared to dump him at a moments notice because he's shown himself to be a troublemaker at USC and Cleveland.

 

But I never said he is reinventing the wheel all I said was he is a unicorn cuz he can do things others cant like guard guys 1-5. Not sure how this strawman argument came about that unicorns need to shoot with their ass or w/e to be considered as such.

 

I'm saying that you're wrong, Davis does not remotely "shoot like a guard" he's just a mobile PF. Yes, most good PF's from the past could block centers in the post, that's kind of what bigs do. "Shoots like a guard" - his career 3p% is 31, that's not a guard's shooting skills. You all put way too much stock in the "unicorn" tag, when you should be looking at how good a basketball player somebody is rather than any perceived mythical creature status. Davis may have more agility than normal, but his game is very typical PF stuff, he's just a top flight player. Gobert and Mark Gasol are not top flight players, kind of a weak comparison really. The most ridiculous thing is that you all keep screaming "he's a unicorn" and that's literally the only argument you have. "He's a defensive freak" has already been exposed as nonsense with busts like Thabeet and late 2nd round picks like KJM looking way more dominant on tape. I'm saying "he's a unicorn" is a crap reason to draft somebody when there's been multiple evaluations showing he's a good switch defender who can pass. Like that's literally the only selling points he has? In the NBA he's a scrawny dude who can't keep up with NBA guards in the slightest, so his "defensive prowess" is NOT going to translate the way you all think it will. Left for dust by guards, bullied by bigs.

 

So, in 2 or 3 years from now you think Green might finally be as good as Jeremy Lin was in the G league last year?

Is that his expected development curve?

 

I would say if Green played another year in G League as a 19 year old he'd probably be as good or better than Seth Curry as a 23 year old in the D League who was coming off first team All ACC at Duke. How do you think about putting it that way?

 

Green did play as a 19 year old and he was inferior to guys like Lin, so we know 19 year old Green isn't outplaying anyone, the question is how many more seasons he'd need to be dominant in the G league. Would 20 year old Green be as good in the G league as washed up scrub Jeremy Lin was? How about 21 year old Green?

Now, at what point are you thinking Green will finally be good enough to play in the NBA? 25?

 

You do realise straw man arguments are a fallacy right? You're just making yourself look stupid.

 

Point out the straw man then kiddo.

When I pointed out Green's mediocre performance in the G league, people made excuses for it. It's only natural that I then ask how long it would take for him to improve to the point where he would be as good as the washed up scrubs that out-played him.

That's not a straw man, that's just playing along with excuses people are making for the kid because they like the flash and buy into the hype.

 

Ah yes, trying to justify the straw man, typical straw man nonsense. The straw man is you using somebody who played (and started for multiple teams) in the league proper and then did well in the G league and trying to use that as a comparison for a 19 yr kid fresh out of high school, as if it makes any blind bit of difference at all (it doesn't.) You're trying to argue unrelated "points" as you don't actually have anything relevant to say. Lin is the straw man you're holding up trying to prove your point, and failing miserably because it's a fallacy. Seriously though, you look like a whole clown right now.

 

I'm starting to think you don't know what a straw man argument is.

Using a washed up scrub that isn't good enough for the NBA to compare the performance of someone being hailed as the next Kobe Bryant and a potential top overall draft pick is completely fair.

My point was that Green's G league performance was mediocre, the excuse of his age was then used....so it's only natural to ask then at what point he'll finally be good enough to be a top G league player because even top G league players struggle to make it in the NBA.

If you think he's worthy of the #2 overall pick, shouldn't he be good enough to dominate the G league like guys who aren't good enough for the NBA?

 

Jeremy Lin also was on par with KPJ in the G League and KPJ is two years older than Green. Is he good enough to play in the league?

He turned 19 at the end of the season. He'd be 19 for most of next season as well. Devin Booker scored less points in his last year at Kentucky before joining the league than Tony Delk and Keith Bogans. I guess Booker's career should be the same as Delk's and Bogan's

 

Well, that's actually not true, KPJ's performance was superior to Lin's in just about every way despite fairly poor 3 point shooting by KPJ in the G league.

KPJ outright dominated the G league, just like most NBA quality players do, he led the glorified rec league in both scoring and assists.

Also, you have your facts wrong, the G league season started on February 10, Jalen Green turned 19 on February 9th.

He was 19 for the entire season.

The point here is if you are using Green's age as an excuse for his mediocre performance, at what point will he be old and experienced enough to be dominant in the G league? Does he need 2 or 3 more seasons before he'll be as good as guys who aren't good enough for the NBA?

I thought the talking points were about Green taking the NBA by storm, that he was "NBA ready".....and now we hear that he's not even G league ready. The Green Gang is sending mixed signals.

 

Are Green and Lin remotely the same player with the same background and history as players? Is there literally anything they have in common other than "they play basketball?" It's a straw man. Feel free to carry on defending it, don't bother quoting me though as I really can't be bothered wasting my time with a complete joke like yourself. Cool? Good then.

 

I'm moving on after this because you aren't doing this in good faith. KPJ's stats are slightly/reasonably worse from an efficiency standpoint and slightly better from a counting stand point.

You are right on the age. If he played in the G League next year he would be 19 for most of the season though.

I don't think he's "NBA ready". I think he'll be replacement level or a little better for a year or two and has a chance to be substantially better than that as he develops.

 

I certainly hope not. If Green is truly worthy of a top 2 pick, I would hope he was a LOT better than the washed up Jeremy Lin who can't get an NBA contract anymore.

Also, you are struggling to understand what a "straw man" argument is, and it's pretty hilarious, but I guess I'll just skim over that for now.

 

Then we don't disagree, Green isn't an NBA ready prospect as evidenced by his struggles in the G league.

 

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Meh, I find your post rigid and wrong. I support the man and believe he’s doing what he needs to do as his life evolves into grown manhood.