I post on Realgm and enjoy that forum as well as clutchfans, but that is just that author's opinon. Which like anyone elses can be wrong, the draft is far from an exact science with professional analysts who are wrong every year. One example is that same RealGM author's analysis of Jamal Murry as a draft pick in 2016. He sounds like a bust from this same author's analysis and he was proven wrong as Murray developed into a talented and productive player. https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/242285/2016-NBA-Draft-Breakdown-Shooting-Guards Jamal Murray Much like Hield, Murray’s top skill is also his outside shooting. His stats were not as jaw-dropping but his 40.8% efficiency on 277 three-point shots at a rate of 8.7 attempts per 40 minutes was also very impressive. He displayed some of the same skills as a gunner, able to hit shots on the move – in transition, running to the ball on dribble-handoffs and coming off staggered screens out of floppy sets. Murray isn’t as prolific rising off the bounce, though. His mechanics on catch-and-shoots are excellent; he dips for rhythm very quickly, elevates in balance and has a quick compact release. But he pulls the trigger from a relatively low point, just over his forehead, which hasn’t mattered much with people closing out to him but has made it difficult for him to get his shots off comfortably with an opponent on his hip. And that opponent was almost always on his hip because Murray is not particularly quick attacking off the dribble, made evident by the ecosystem he was a part of at Kentucky. That team could not space the floor adequately, often playing two post men and non-shooter Isaiah Briscoe together. In that context, Murray was exposed as unable to create enough separation to pull-up from midrange effectively or get to the rim in straight isolations and out of ball reversals. According to hoop-math, attempts at the basket amounted to just 20% of his shot profile. But in the few instances he was put in the pick-and-roll or had the aid of catching-and-going off a live dribble, Murray proved himself a viable threat to penetrate the lane. His finishing at the basket was a mixed bag, as he even flashed some explosiveness to attack the rim with power on straight-line drives and elevating out of one foot on a few occasions but didn’t look as athletic dealing with size in traffic in many others – though he did showcase a nifty floater to shoot over length from the in-between area. As a passer out of dribble penetration, Murray is good but not great. He can recognize weak-side shooters and garbage men at the dunker spot left open by the defense collapsing against his drives. I think his thoroughly unimpressive 12% assist-rate and 0.94 assist-to-turnover ratio were mostly consequences of his role as an off-ball threat. But even when he had the opportunity to run offense for the Canadian National Team at the 2015 Pan American Games and the World Team at the 2015 Nike Hoop Summit, Murray was more likely to create a shot for himself than others. Some teams are probably flirting with the idea of having Murray play point guard for significant portions of games. That could be fine if he got to play in an environment like the one CJ McCollum enjoys in Portland (with a well-spaced floor and constantly put in the pick-and-roll or attacking closeouts) or work out very poorly if they just put him in an island and can’t open up driving lanes any better than Kentucky. That’s as far as offense goes, at least. On the other end, having Murray defend opposing point guards should be a non-starter. He can’t get low enough to defend in a stance and lacks the lateral quickness to keep pace with the speed demons that play that position. The problem is that Murray also doesn’t have the length (six-foot-six wingspan) to be a particularly effective defender against wings, compounded by the fact he generally doesn’t play with much energy or physicality as well. On top of it, he’s not especially adept at forcing turnovers or an above average contributor in the defensive glass. Not only he’s unlikely to add any sort of value on defense due to his physical limitations, Murray will probably need to be actively hidden in order not to compromise the system around him at the pro level.
I agree. Mobley is definitely the way riskier pick, but if all goes well could have a more uniquely higher ceiling than Green. But maybe at this point I want to be conservative and get a more typical pick in Green. On the other hand, Mobley might cause the team to win fewer games and we essentially tank for another top 4 pick next year. Might be a good thing too
I know this quote is from before we even trade russ and harden, but I wonder if this quote gives us an idea that at least Silas would want Mobley. I personally would not let a rookie head coach off a 17 win season decide who the player is. It should be his job to make it work with the bpa. A traditional big or 2 can be found with the later picks or free agency. "It’s really based on how Rafael [Stone] and I, and mostly Rafael, puts the roster together. The small ball was very much a product of the roster that they had. Obviously, I want to have multiple ways of playing. To have playoff success, you have to have multiple ways of playing on both ends of the floor. So, having a traditional center would be good for me, so I would be able to play small like they’ve done in the past and like I did 15 years ago when I worked for Don Nelson. And then play big, with a rolling center and someone playing in the dunker [slot], and the matchups would be a little bit better for our group. And then the defense and rebounding would be a little bit better, as well. My goal is to have multiple ways of playing on both ends of the floor, and Rafael is looking to put together a roster so that I can do so." Mobley checks a lot of boxes in terms of playing multiple ways like Silas wants.
Ive mentioned before how in “Spurts” and certain matchups…Mobley could allow us to go really big in our lineup. Mobley is so versatile we could play Mobley Wood KO? / another big I'm not saying full time…like I said in spurts and or certain matchups.
I actually think KPJ should take it down a notch because if they end up drafting anyone other than Green the chicken wings are gonna fly.
Once the NBA game slows down for Green he is going to start going off. That's when the multiple 20 point games start. How long do you think that will take?
I mean Ant Man up in Minnesota was damn near 20ppg this year, and I believe Jalen to be the superior player/scorer. If he's given mins then we're talking 20 ppg fresh out of the box with this shiny new toy. Green's North/South style of play reminds me of a bigger bouncier Gilbert Arenas.
Didn't happen for Kobe until his FOURTH season, Lavine didnt do it until his FIFTH season. Everyone thinking Green is just going roll out of bed and average 20 in the NBA is placing ridiculous expectations on the kid. Green did not even average that much in the much more offense friendly and defense diluted G League. Porter was the G league leader in scoring (almost 25 PPG) but barely averaged 17 in NBA.
Kobe wasn't getting any minutes though so that's an unfair comparison. If Jalen's on the court for 30 plus mins I have a hard time not seeing him average close to 20.
ive heard some others say this. What makes Mobley versatile? He wasn’t a good three point shooter. He was capable of dribbling and passings but but wasn’t like a 7 foot Magic out there or anything. How does one of Wood/Mobley/KO pla SF?? Maybe Wood best choice here but still not seeing it.
Id be fine trading Wood to end up with Mobley (and Green). Not cause I don’t like Wood. Eco Mobley ever doing a 20/10 season would be solid. But because Wood is older, injury prone a d not really good at defense and I’d take the potential 17/9 player that is a great defensive anchor on he right timeline over Wood.
Why do the Green Gang keep pushing this narrative or insist on moving Wood? Wood and Mobley are going to great playing alongside another. Wood and Mobley complement one another better than Wood and Olynyk. And Mobley is already comfortable paying with another big, like he did with his brother. Mobley is essentially a small ball 5 at this time as well as a full time forward.
Would be great if it happens, just not holding my breath. Give this kid a few seasons to figure out NBA. He will be playing the best of the best in entire world AND the defense is going to much more physical and much more length that he's accustomed to.
Trying to mess with the space time continuum to find the timeline where Houston manages to draft both Green and Mobley while also getting rid of John Wallet. The young boys get plenty of run and development and then we send Dave to represent us in the draft where he ever so brilliantly nets us next yea's year's #1.
Doesn't matter who we draft, Wood has no place on this team. Doesnt fit the timeline. Sabotages draft position in the short term Sabotages cap space in the medium term Inevitably takes away minutes from guys we need to develop By the time this team will be ready to compete, he will be declining. Simple asset management, he needs to be traded ASAP for long term assets.
Keep saying this until you really believe it. You cant have a winning team full of 19 and 20 year olds. Timeline shet is starting to sound like a Q drop. Dont like a player? Blame the timeline. Ridiculous.
