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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Marshall Bryant, Jun 25, 2021.

  1. Mr.Pringles

    Mr.Pringles Member

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    Really. Show me which team that’s going to bid higher?

    Wont be the Dodgers, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Braves, Padres, Cubs, Nats, etc they are happy with their current SS’s
     
  2. Mr.Pringles

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    The Astros pen that’s been charged for 17 earned runs in 64.2 innings in June. And of those 17 earned..7 came from Bielak and Garza..not mainstays.
     
  3. Htown Legend

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    Wouldn’t shock me at all to see the Rangers offer Correa a huge, Machado-like deal. All it takes is one team
     
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  4. Mr.Pringles

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    Believe it when I see it. Rangers are a **** team. Should rebuild and not spend. Correa WANTS to play on a championship team. NEXT.
     
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  5. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Probably has to do with him having more homeruns than any other shortstop in history also and the highest RBI rate of the top 10 on the list.
     
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    Just saying...no one on this board, myself included, has any idea what any team, or Correa, wants. If a not currently competitive team (a la TEX) offered Correa 300+, I think it’s fair to say that no one on this board knows whether he’d accept, or if he prefers to take less elsewhere for a more immediately competitive team. The one true constant is that every player (obviously) wants to win...but every player/person also obviously want to get paid as much as possible. Carlos has been vocal about the bar being set financially for SS’s, so I’m not buying stock in the whole “he’s not going to entertain currently non-competitive teams”.

    And as far as certain big market teams being set at SS...no one on this board has any idea what they’re going to do. Teams and rosters are fluid, especially so with the notion that Correa is open to SS/3B. CHC/LAD both have SS openings next year...NYY could slot Gleybar at 2nd...we just don’t know. TEX or another struggling team do need star players, especially with a new stadium, and a jab against the inner-state rival doesn’t hurt. I think it’s a bit disingenuous to just count teams out or say Carlos is per se not interested in some teams. We have no idea. Carlos will be interested in whichever team values him the most, and we have no idea who that team will be.
     
  7. Mr.Pringles

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    Dodgers and Cubs have publicly stated their desire to keep their current SS’s (as they should). Cubs have big money at 3B. Dodgers have Turner under contract next season at 3B. Where are the Yankees moving LeMahieu after paying him 100+ million to play second?

    Correa will get paid just don’t think it’s close to what he desires, dont think there’s competition that can match the Astros offering 25-30 mil/yr (which is very generous for a guy who’s played 110+ games in just one season.
     
  8. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Torres is a negative defensively and only average offensively. NY would move him in a heartbeat if they can get a cornerstone guy long term. That is what the Yankees do. They ducked under the tax this year so they will be free spending again next season.
     
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  9. Mr.Pringles

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    38 hr and 90 RBI’s in 2019 is a little more than average. Granted he’s on a slow start if he turns it around all will be forgotten.
     
  10. Marshall Bryant

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    I've never had this luxury, but I do know that you should avoid waste by paying more simply because you can afford it. A good manager, whether Corporate or on the line, finds the most productive
    use of the resources and applies them there.

    I can afford ten dollar bread, but I prefer to spend more on higher quality protein. I go by the rule, only pay the difference if you think it's worth the difference. Another rule is: Don't be the fool who gets into a bidding war with another fool.
     
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  11. Mr.Pringles

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    Not sure what you mean paying Correa in his prime, one of the leaders of the team and a defensive god is worth every penny.
     
  12. Marshall Bryant

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    AROD is on the phone... HIs 148 in his first 6 years includes 2 years with less than 150 PA. By the time he was a FA, he was at 250+/- HR.

    Correa is at 121 and counting. But the difference in the post season is 17 HR in 266 PA for Correa and 3 HR in 57 PAs for AROD. And I think we both know who had more teammates on base per PA.

    Don't get me wrong, I like Correa. But sanity is required while you evaluate his value.
     
  13. Htown Legend

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    Every player “wants” to play on a championship team. It’s a business dude.

    Players like Correa only hit free agency in their prime once- and those dudes have all looked to cash in over just about everything else- unless the top couple bids are close.

    If the BALTIMORE ORIOLES backed up a 300 million dollar brinks truck up to Correa- he takes that offer over the 180 million **** you mentioned- 10/10 times
     
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    The problem is Correa wants a contract well beyond his prime.

    I don't see this as all that complicated. Astros told Correa they don't do long contracts. He wants something they have already said they won't do. He's gone.
     
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  15. Marshall Bryant

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    Can you afford a Bentley? If so, would you buy a Chevy at the same price, even though you can afford it? Is the luxury of a Bentley worth the difference in TOTAL COST if what you need is basic transportation? You have to make that calculation.

    But after you spend your entire luzury cap on one player, who plays with him? Is it worth it? LAA has spent a lot of money on great players in order to play sub .500 ball. It's not how much, but how well you spend.
     
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    The way Correa’s season is going, he’s going to have Lindor’s contract ($341M/10yr) as his bar. He may not get that, he may exceed that, who knows. But regardless, he is nowhere near the range of what the Astros can or should offer him. $200M+ contracts carry too much risk, and any team outside of the Yankees and Dodgers is smart to avoid them. When you factor in the other options and the fact that Houston’s lineup will project as one of the 5 best in baseball next season regardless of who the SS is, and I just see zero chance Houston pursues Correa at all this offseason.
     
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  17. Marshall Bryant

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    It's so darn easy to spend other people's money. Pay them whatever they ask for!
     
  18. The Beard

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    I know money talks, but I’d be shocked to see Correa go somewhere he knows he has zero chance to win
     
  19. The Beard

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    You do understand sample sizes and baseball, right?

    Not even the Astros organizational leaders would tell you they have a great pen
     
  20. Marshall Bryant

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    Just suppose you could arrange to spend that money on Trout because an injury or two requires them to rebuild. All you have to do is Trade Straw and pick up the Trout contract at $35.4 M/yr. You them move Bregman to SS and TORO to 3B. Is that a better value than signing Correa for $35M/YR?

    I think so. And it's just the type of trade Luhnow could pull off.
     

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