Maybe liberals should hire the recently unemployed Victoria Secret models to help sell their slogans better. It's a marketing issue guys. That's rockbox's argument. Not actual issues with criminal justice reform. Marketing. OKAY.
Defund the police is the dumbest of dumb slogans. You know why I say that? It's because I have an almost irrational dislike for the police and trust them as much as I trust drug dealers, and I had a double take when I heard it. When you have to h write a dissertation to defend a slogan, it's a bad slogan. Again, you digging in and doubling down on defending the slogan supports my statements about why liberals lose the debate even when they are on the right side of the issue.
What would be the most perfect slogan that even conservative media wouldn't scrutinize rockbox? Let me know so we can get back to focusing on actual criminal justice reform. If only you'd just figure out the most perfect slogan and we could finally move past all this ****. Right?
My point was about the slogan. You are the one that made it into something more. I doubt there is anything to discuss about about criminal justice reform because I probably agree with 90 percent of the things you think should happen. Less money criminalizing stupid things like drug possession, less military gear, police should be trained or have trained personnel to de-escalate issues, social programs to keep kids off the streets. Am I missing something? I agree with all these things. That being said, I get readily attacked by my "liberal" friends when I make these comments, so I'm used to it.
Do you agree that when conservative media spins their focus on the slogan instead of the actual issues, that it is a deliberate tactic to avoid addressing the actual issues that spurred the movement in the first place? I personally look at it like a magician doing a sleight of hand trick getting people to talk about marketing when actual criminal justice reform is far more complicated than that and yet none of those complications are rarely addressed even on this BBS. Instead, it's on slogans. What I'm also saying is even if the defund the police movement was changed to something more marketable, it would still be spun as bad by bad faith opposition. I believe you buy into that as your issues with the movement are on slogans. Not the good and bad that goes on within people that are a part of the movement for criminal justice reform. Because there are bad faith actors within the movement that hurt the cause too unfortunately. But instead your cause for concern is on three words. It makes little sense to me personally. Also I apologize for the patronizing attitude. I've just grown cynical over what people choose to be the last straw for them on issues like this. Yours is slogans. I don't get it.
And the truth is it was a dumb slogan but no matter Democrats, the GOP would make it about something else. That's the entire tactics of the GOP right now.... make everything emotional by amplifying progressives. "Reform the police" would have been better but still spun as anti law enforcement.
Dems do need better messaging, but these conservatives are so slick they somehow cause all this rampant globalization, outsourcing, and automation but still manage to put on the Dems. It would be brilliant if the consequences wasn't America becoming weaker and angrier. Conservatives turned investing in America into communism.... I'm not sure how Dems can convince those type of idiots when the GOP has weaponized using the minority to paralyze the government.
If this was the slogan which is far worse, would it in anyway change the fact that there are real issues with law enforcement, funding with tax dollars, incarceration, crime, the motivating factors that increase the likelihood of crime, easy access to firearms which anyone can obtain and that we are all participants in this society as it's structured?
Dude. Nobody is asking Liberals to silence themselves, show me one time where I have ever said anything like that. I don't want silence I want discussion and fr Liberals to not be sheep and understand that there are things than can drive wedges in the party. My biggest issue is with people thinking these things are only talked about on twitter and that it's a small audience, that's not true, there is a real marketplace for stuff like this and you had a someone recently just put up a tweet saying America has made no progress on racism since 1619. What split? This was not just started by the Right Wing Media, the Right Wing Media did not start the 1619 project and the Right Wing media did start defund the police. I just want us to critically look at the messages we put out and understand how a majority of the electorate will react. I am also tired of the self righteous bullshitters who are profiting from the blame game. If we think the Right Wing media is only to blame then they are ahead of the game. I mean you got people out here pushing **** like this. https://www.advocate.com/pride/2021...lack-pride-event-sparks-complaint-rival-group Organizers of a Pride event in Seattle have been getting blowback after complaining about another event’s plans to charge admission to white attendees only. Taking B(l)ack Pride, a festival to be held Saturday in Seattle’s Jimi Hendrix Park, announced that white attendees would be charged a “reparations fee” of $10 to $50, while the fest would be free to others. Capitol Hill Pride, which is planning an event at Cal Anderson Park the same day, filed a complaint with the Seattle Human Rights Commission over the Taking B(l)ack Pride policy, saying it constituted racial discrimination. Taking B(l)ack Pride organizers termed Capitol Hill Pride’s action racist and reactionary. And that's not the only group that has done stuff like this.
That's not what Rockbox's argument was at all and thanks for illustrating my entire point, instead of discussing things in a rational manner. This is the reductive argument that turns people off.
I would have preferred "Demilitarize the police". It's no coincidence that the situation between the police and the community is identical to the situation the military has faced in Iraq and Afghanisthan because both are based on imposing control and exercising dominance over those who live there.
You act like I haven't been on zoom meetings with these types and that there aren't a ton of people in the same meeting that eye roll that ****. There are a lot of shitty social justice groups out there that just want to b**** and find a way to profit. Why would anyone that wants to enact real change even entertain associating with those types much less dig up articles online about those types who act in such a way? But I'll say this. Even those bad faith actors have their place. They make legitimate social justice groups appear even more reasonable in their presentation of arguments that still wish to hold elected officials accountable for their campaign promises when all groups are out to protest at city council functions. It's only a wedge issue because you make it a wedge issue. Unfortunately I can't hold the hands of every bad faith actor that makes movements like the defund the police movement look bad. All I can do is participate in a community with likeminded individuals I find reasonable in their goals and who appear to uphold values I find genuine and collaborate with them on local issues that can perhaps be remedied to the benefit of my community. There's no slogan for that though. You're falling for the same trap rockbox did but you just think you're being clever, probably just like rockbox thought he was too.
Your argument is these liberals here in this article I'm linking are doing a bad thing and that bad thing must stop or else it will turn voters off. I know exactly where you're coming from bro. It's someone angling to play both sides while bored in a summer classroom to appear bipartisan on a ****ing basketball message board. Whooptey ****ing do.
Dude I am not falling for ****, I am also not ignoring the fact that these groups and publications exist. I really have no idea what your point is here, should we just ignore stuff like this and not call it out? Sorry I call out bullshit when I see it no matter what side its from.
Call it out. You're making real change making everyone aware of it on a message board. Changing the axis of the Earth even. Falls coming early in July boys. Get ready.
LOL. I am not in a summer classroom and I am not angling to play both sides, how the **** am I playing both sides? I would think that only you think I want to appear bipartisan.
