What I'm saying is outside of being in a pnr as a ball handler, how can he make the offense better? I'm sure should we draft him we'll get plenty of opportunities to grow as a playmaker, as he needs to improve there as well, but what I'm saying about him isn't controversial at all, it's basically on every scouting report of him.
I realize that? I also realize sometimes draft prospects DON'T get better which is why it's important to talk about what areas they are weak at. We have to be realistic with all of these guys, just imagining him being Kobe in a few years is all well and good but it's unlikely. There is no rule that he has to get better at all. He could be a finished product right now and be just a really nice 6th man, Lou Williams type...like there is no guarantee for superstardom for any of these players.
Stop comparing him to Lowry who was technically a midget who outperformed his projections. 6'0 Suggs is 6'4 and more of an athletic combo guard with very good court vision. That is flat out wrong IMHO. At least throw Chauncey Billups there all the time. Or a more athletic Deron Williams, a very buffy guard with good size. One that also can drain consecutive 3s like Zach Lavine but has to get consistent there.
I'll compare him to whoever I want to compare him to lol. I compared him to Lowry as the height of his potential because Lowry has those same intangibles, winner, leader, defensive guard that hits big shots and completely team first. That's why I compared him to Lowry. I compared his impact, not his height or physical tools. Like Lowry I think he'll be a good player but not one you necessarily build around. Also, Suggs shooting is one of the biggest cons he has on his game along with his ability to consistently get past his man, so comparing him to Dwill who, in his prime, was the best PG in the league because of his handles and shooting and ability to execute in the half court. Look, you can post as many highlight videos as you want to, that shouldn't convince people otherwise because they are highlights against lesser competition. The whole point of discussing prospects is predicting if they will be able to fix the flaws they have and if their strengths will actually translate to the NBA. Who said I do? Do you? You're already listing off the skills of Suggs as if you know they will translate to the NBA and that he'll become a better shooter...we don't know that.
Depending on who gets him. The training methods have gotten even better than at Lowry's heydays. I would think he is at least at Deron Williams' level but yes, there are risks with him as well. Which was a force with Boozer and Okur as you imagined. Boozer and Okur weren't great.
spotup, off screens, cuts with the right passer and strategy and coaching why won't he be able to do those? what's stopping him from spotting up, running thru screens, and cutting? will it be he's not athletic enough? low bbal IQ? not coachable?
And no, the odds that we get the OKC are very slim. With either of those guys. We probably get the Lakers with Randle, Ingram, DLo, Lonzo. Not quite a deep playoff team until 5 years later than 3 years.
I am not saying that Suggs is locked into being a low ceiling guy, that's just how I think of him personally. He could get better, that is true, but there just isn't a rule that he has to get better because he is young. We've been hoping for years that Ben Simmons would become a better shooter and...well...he's somehow managed to get worse at it. Sometimes players never put it all together, they always miss that one thing they could have used to take their game to the next level. Maybe Suggs never gets the ability to get past his man (consistently) for instance, that would monumentally hurt his career especially if he doesn't get a shot. It would make him at best a backup PG...not saying that's what he will become...but he could. Maybe Mobley never gets bigger and stronger. Maybe his handling doesn't translate. Maybe he never gets a shot...that just makes him some guy you throw in for defense, nothing more and nothing else, not a bad guy to have for sure but not a perennial all-star. Maybe Green is a selfish player. Maybe he becomes a more athletic Crawford or more like Malik Monk. Even Cade has flaws...not as athletic, his ball handling needs work, it's possible that he becomes one of those odd forward/tweeners that just gets lost in doing many things well but never truly dominating. All of these guys do have big red flags, they all have to work on something. I'm just pointing out what they have to work on. On the flip side, guys like Kawhi, just supposed to be a defender who they hoped could develop a 3 point shot...worked on his game so much that he became a go to scorer along with the defense scouts expected of him. At the end of the day here it's all about how big are the flaws and if you think the player will be able to fix them.
Lol, Suggs has the least flaws out of those 3 that is why the ceiling and floor topic came up. Every one of them does not have the consistency of Cade. From a fan standpoint, Kawhi is your dream player. Also Kobe and Tmac were late lottery picks, Curry wasn't high either. You got the player with the hidden potential or the drive to get better.
HOW THR FUCJ ARE WE NOT ALL IN ON THIS KID!??!?! There is talk about the warriors tryna get the #3 pick from cavs in order to get Green. WHAT THE FUCJ. HOW THE FUCJ ARE WE NOT TRYNA GIVE UP ALL OUR PICKS IN ORDER TO GET #1 PICK FOR GREEN!?!?!?!??!?! GREEN >>> CUNNINGHAM
I had no problem with the work they are going to put in. Just wasn't sure about Lowry and such. We won out in the battle versus OKC and got the pick but I still think it is a long way ahead. Neither seems to be a Lebron, Duncan, Kawhi but rather DeAaron Fox, Eddie Jones, lesser Pau Gasol.
One of my biggest take aways from that interview with Green was how frequently he said "that's something i need to get better at." Additionally, he went all in on basketball and skipped all the bullshit (college). When other were complaining that the COVID restricted things GREEN WAS HAPPY THAT IT ALLOWED HIM TO JUST BE IN THE GYM AND WORK! this kid is saying all the right things, and looking like MJ or KOBE out there (yes that's a little extreme... but i don't think i see any better comparisons). This kid sounds like he believes he is a level above the rest and wants to put in work to get there.
The ability to hit a 3 point shot and a questionable ability to get past your man are HUGE red flags for a PG you're drafting at #2. His shooting wasn't good in college...at all really. That's a huge red flag considering his position. While he has the least flaws the flaw he does have is not good to have for his position. Green's flaw on defense for example can be excused because no one is expecting him to be some elite defender. Mobley's flaw on offense can be excused because most are not expecting him to be amazing offensively...but you expect your PG to be able to hit open 3 point shots in today's NBA. We know what happens when your ballhandler can't... Cade has consistency but he also had more turnovers than assists...which should be very alarming for people thinking he's the next Doncic or big PG. I hear that comp a lot but there's a chance he might not be that and he might be one of those odd tweening forwards. Like all of these players have pretty big flaws they have to fix. They could all be star players or could all be busts, there just isn't a lock in this draft but it's still a great draft because they all do have great potential.
Yeah. I said the other day I bet whoever the Rockets go with it will come down to their personal interviews with them... And I trust Stone and his FO to handle that well. Stone said he's looking for players that give everything they have and so far the players he's picked up, they do that. That's how he's found guys like KJ and Tate. So I think when they sit down with these guys they'll be looking at who they think will want to improve the most and not who they think can improve the most if that makes sense.
I think you can say half of the draft prospects didn't have a consistent outside shot coming into the league. I didn't think Curry was getting by his man. But I got that, he was a shooter.
Right but...I'm not exaggerating on suggs shooting, he's had some really bad cold stretches that's enough to scare teams away. If Suggs was shooting like Cade from 3 he'd easily be the #1 pick...since he didn't though it's going to scare teams away is all. He might prove everyone wrong in the end though.
For sure, I think a lot of fans expect the world out of the draft but it is still a lottery after the lottery. Some organizations are luckier than others and have great developmental skills.
