It’s not being talked about enough so far, we have to get bigger this offseason

Do they? I can't even remember the last time they drafted someone over 6'9". Probably Horford back in 07? And even he was considered short for a center.

 

You’re talking about team building when there’s no foundation.

U don’t see how your priorities are all backwards?

half the guys on this team are barely NBA players or are just ok roll players, and most of the rest probably won’t even be here a few years from now

the Rockets need someone to build around 1st before they start building

They get some size or whatever and then what? We’ll still be trash and headed nowhere until we get a franchise player. ATL has their franchise player, we don’t.

 

I don't think they've started building this roster yet. Everyone on the roster was here prior to the tear-down. They need to swing for the fences when drafting top 5, which they will be doing for a couple of years. Once Wall and Gordon are gone, assess the roster and then start filling in your holes. No need to focus on any specific position right now.

 

QUESTION: IS Mobley significantly better than Jarrett Allen? More Upside?
(Mobley is who we see as a center right?)

Rocket River

 

So glad that we are now officially talking about getting bigger.

 

u seem to think Mobley can be an Embiid or Jokic tier big…all I’m gonna say is that we definitely don’t agree

 

Mobley’s highlights look good but his practice videos are horrible. More misses than makes. He doesn’t have it
Let’s go for a Curry/Thompson backcourt. Green could be the next Beal who y’all want so damn bad

 

We have to get bigger on the wings. The days of 6’3 wing players with 6’5 centers needs to be a thing of the past

 

@mac_got_this
I feel like you have conjured up all my comments and put them
in one thread. I'm with you with everything except drafting Mobley.
Hard pass on that.....I would rather have Kuminga.

With Porter jr (SG), Kuminga (SF....combo PF), C Wood (PF)
I feel the Rockets can build around that.

Throw in Tate and Kenyon Martin jr and you have a strong core going
forward. I'm hoping the Rockets draft Bassey, as he will be our strong man
Center in training moving beyond his rookie season.

So I summary:
++PG) Wall (used last season as therapy vs live bodies....knows what
he needs to work on; plus we are stuck with him)
Wall/ Augustin/ Khyri Thomas has the Rockets 3 deep, until we see trades/draft.

++SG) Porter jr gets starter minutes here unless Jalen Green is drafted.
If Jalen Green is drafted: Porter slides to starting PG with Wall taking a
backseat. Wall gets good minutes as backup, as a means of building trade
value. Yes Wall will be disgruntled and we probably trade Augustin.
Eric Gordon moves to backup to Jalen Green. EGo getting fewer minutes
than Wall as backup to Green. Armoni Brooks services will probably no
longer be needed.

++SF) Kenyon Martin Jr starts as he played the best SF at season's end
and got those 17 points a game I predicted House would get in Silas
system. CnS 3's, cutter, slasher, PnR threat (was in high NBA percentile as
Roll-Man in PnR). Tate was solid but his ceiling is less than Martin.
Kuminga starts if he is the pick instead of Jalen Green because
of higher ceiling. Mobley starts if he is the pick.....moves to PF
in Small-Ball lineups.

++PF) C Wood starts; but needs help wrestling with all those big Centers
or PF's night in and night out. Every playoff team had some muscle
near the rim which allows other finesse big to use energy mostly
towards offense.....avoid exhaustion in final quarter. This is why
I push for Charles Bassey as he is a cross between Big and Thin
Centers. Excellent shoot blocker/rebounder doing the dirty work
so C Wood can shine and get us 26 points a night. Not many
options in the draft here. Queta as a fall back plan.
Kuminga as back up if drafted? Olynyk return? Draft a PF as
backup.

++Center) draft Bassey so he can transition from college to NBA this season
and eventually be our version of Washington's Gafford. Obtain 2nd round
picks or go Undrafted Free Agent route after the draft or trade for Aron
Baynes expiring contract or sign D Theis/G Dieng as a temporary band-aid
to help Wood. Final Four teams remaining have big guys like Capela. Ayton,
Brook Lopez, and Zubac. Team must be prepared to adjust to any situation
in case Porter Jr, Jalen Green, Wood Tate, K Martin exceed our every
expectation. Atlanta Falcons went to the Superbowl with 3 or 4 rookies
starting on defense.
________________________
Don't be discouraged by some members here. They know JaHill Okafor,
Nerlens, Saric, Embiid, Rachaun Holmes, and Simmons was a clash in same
skill/positions unable to work together. They were disgruntled and each
wanting more playing time. Embiid with Simmons still doesn't work to
this day. Some people here just want drama.....players throwing
chimichangas at each other.

So a roster of:
PG) Porter Jr.........Wall / Khyri Thomas (trade Augustin/Bradley for bag of chips)
SG) Jalen Green....Eric Gordon
SF) Kenyon M Jr....Tate (trade House for bag of chips)
PF) C Wood............Tate/ Kenyon / new draftee
C) Bassey................

works for me as the foundation........waiting on pick #23? (if Bassey
#24) and undrafted FA's or 2nd Rd picks (if we obtain some).

We have upcoming drafts to find Wall replacement if it is not Porter Jr
or Khyri Thomas. Continue bring in backups to Wood/Bassey at PF/C
with future drafts.

Keep drafting players and hoping they become stars in 2 years in a pipe dream
usually. Many don't develop. Just go with best fit after #2 pick. I don't need
more Cam Thomas types sitting on the bench wasting away and disgruntled
for lack of playing time.

 

We have 3 picks. Additional role players might be able to give size, and strength along with a decent skill set.

 

Do we even care about being good next year? too soon. We're gonna be bad through 2023, grab a couple more high lotto picks, then when we officially don't have our own pick anymore and there is no benefit to tanking we will aim to be good again.

after 2 more bad seasons we'll have enough talent from the 2021-2023 drafts to actually win games, and without our own pick there is no benefit to losing anyway. that 2023 offseason wall comes off the books and we'd be able to get out of gordon's final season. we'd have cap space to sign some win now vets to short term / overpaid deals like how redick and Ariza kept getting 15-20M for 1 year at a time. at that point we should care about roster construction, fit, and winning culture. that's when we want our young core of '21-'23 lotto picks to get used to playing playoff basketball.

 

Precisely!!

This is why the OKC approach makes at least some sense. First step, get franchise player. Next, build around that player.
If we don't yet have a franchise player, we first need to figure out how/ where to get one

*the OKC approach drawback is that your only avenue is to drat a franchise player. Maybe they should win as much as possible behind SGA so they can trade for a franchise player or sign one in free agency if possible

 

We have too many Guards on our roster I agree with that.

Our positional graph last season was like this for most the season.

Wood
Tucker
Tate House MartinJr
Gordon Oladipo Nwaba McLemore Lamb(tw)
Wall Brown Exum Brooks(two)

And I don't think we used our full 15 player roster + 2 TWs at any point in the season.


Atm our roster looks like

Wood
MartinJr
Tate House
Gordon Bradley Thomas
PorterJr Wall Augustin.

With 3 draft picks in our pocket.

Trading our bad guards for bad centres/Pfs doesn't change the needle much but will hopefully make the roster more balanced.

 

#s 23 and 24.

 

Kuminga in danger of dropping out of top 5.

And Bassey may fall out of 1st round altogether.

Click on link to article in tweet below. Recommended reading.

 

We just need to draft Green at #2, then draft Charles Bassey who can give us size, offensive and defensive power. Then

Neemias Queta

7'0"245 lbs Utah State

The guy is bigger than Mosley and he is all defense...rebound, physical, athletic and love to block shots