Shams - Philly offered Simmons/Thybulle + draft compensation. Did we make the right deal?

But Morey may be desperate at this moment and willing to take a toxic contract like Walls. We could then re-package Simmons plus players or picks to a 3rd team such as GSW for Oubre and Weisman.

 

I wouldn't have been mad at Stone if:

-He got back Simmons, Thybulle AND Maxey plus picks
-Then immediately ship Simmons out for more players/assets

I am a huge fan of Thybulle and Maxey. Those two guys with a player like Cunningham from this year's draft would have accelerated our rebuild.

 

Quoted for truth

 

We dodged a Morey for sure. Shaq put the exclamation point on it by going all LL Cool J

https://www.tmz.com/2021/06/21/shaq-ben-simmons-76ers-knock-his-ass-out-nba-playoffs/

 

Why would Morey trade Simmons for John Wall? lmao

 

Right.... where the hell did this come from this morning on the Rockets fan side? What idiot in their right mind thinks that right now Morey all the sudden thinks Simmons is some throwaway asset?

I even saw somewhere on Rockets Twitter where one guy said he wouldn't trade Eric Gordon, and filler for Simmons.... Are you freaking insane???

 

I know if it's a ridiculous trade idea and I wasn't altogether serious about it but the same question could be asked - why would anyone trade for Ben Simmons at this point?

 

chill with the name calling dude. Making an erroneous statement doesn't make one an idiot. Just trying to get more info that's all.

 

Unlike Wall, Simmons is still young and still has way more strengths and weaknesses. He's a big reason the Sixers won the conference and nearly made the ECF, despite his shooting. It's just that his one major weakness is a MAJOR weakness.

Simmons can still be valuable if surrounded by shooters. I think the main thing he absolutely has to fix to be a major piece of a contender is his FT shooting, especially in the playoffs. He doesn't even have to develop a serviceable jumpshot, let alone 3-pointer, but he has to make most of his FTs. That's something star NBA athletes have done before, so I think he could, too.

... But yeah, his market value is obviously very low right now.

 

Lol, Morey would prefer to gamble on Simmons improving in the offseason (although simmons never improved after every offseason) and rebuild back trade value rather than entertain the idea of trading for john wall.

 

Simmons weaknesses are bigger than just shooting. He’s not aggressive on offense at all. Rarely drives to the rim or rolls to the basket or attack the paint in transition.

He’s a complete 0 on offense. He can’t even properly utilize his play making ability because he’s not making himself a threat to score. Teams ignore him when he’s not in the paint.

Right now he’s a gloried pick setter that plays elite defense. That’s not worth paying him the 170 mil contract he signed.

he has regressed tremendously.

Morey would never trade him for Wall though.

(But It would open a huge window to pair Embiid with a superstar in 2023 FA if he did)

 

If it's any consolation I myself am an idiot of an armchair GM all the time.

 

Not that farfetched. Throw in Eric Gordon and you got yourself something

 

Lol, luckily I'm better at IT than being a GM.

 

Right.... but to be clear though... Morey's price for Ben Simmons is NOT always injured, old, and overpaid players like John Wall and Eric Gordon. Morey isn't going to move him for nothing.

It's like folks here forgot who Morey is. Morey is likely to trade Tobias Harris yes. Morey would have never traded for him if he was the GM then.

Simmons... unlikely based on who he is. Morey could have traded for Harris multiple times when the Rockets were wanting a 2nd or 3rd star, and there's a reason why he never did. But a player like Ben Simmons is exactly the type of player he loves. Flawed star player he thinks if he tweaks a few things here and there can use him more effectively than the rest of the league does.

Just to be clear though.... Morey is going to trade Simmons though if it means Joel Embiid demanding it.... don't get me wrong... but you will see in a few weeks that if that happens, Morey will be very clear to Woj & co. that he expects All-Star level value in return in players, or assets he can flip into players. I have DEEP affection for Eric Gordon and all, but he is NOT who someone like Morey would value on par with an all-star trade package.

I look for Minnesota, NOLA, and the Kings to be willing to give Morey ALOT for Simmons just because he helps them that much in the regular season alone.

 

I'm sure a lot of those are jokes meant to laugh at the Sixers.

 

I think it's going to be really hard to give up much of real value for Simmons right now for most teams.

Before this complete disaster of a series I think you could have talked yourself into him being a possible foundational piece (I sort of did, at least over Herro anyways, before really turning on him as the year went on), but you have to build perfectly around him and it's going to probably take a couple of years to really do it. Is anyone going to want to make a multi-year and heavy financial commitment to do that now with someone who can look this mentally broken?

Also before this series I think you could have looked at him as someone who should be like a Draymond to fill a utility role and get a good team to great. But again, you need to already have the perfect roster and are you going to make an all-in trade counting on the guy we just saw to get you over the hump?

Your Kings/Hornets/Bulls/etc. type trades to get him on a borderline playoff are probably the best bet. But again, the roster is really going to have to be a perfect fit and I don't know how many of those there are. I think the assets Philly would get back for something like that isn't going to be that great. We'll see.

 

The problem with Simmons is that other than his max contract, he also has a 15% trade kicker. That's a lot of salaries that needs to come back in any trade. What can Minny, Kings and Nola realistically offer in terms of players to make it an improvement for the the 76ers.

Morey was looking to use Simmons as a centerpiece to lure a superstar like Harden, Dame or Beal in the beginning of the season. But now his value has talked so much, he will get other "bad contracts" back like CJ McCollum. It's a totally different market for Simmons now.

This is like Rockets trying to Trade CP3 when he was at his lowest after the 2019 playoffs. Not sure if Morey will get fleeced again, he is better off rehabbing Simmons' value

 

None of that seems like a viable solution for the Blazers. The only hope is for Simmons to develop a shot and Dame isn’t waiting around for that.

 

The scouting report is out there on Ben already: elite defender, capable passer, questionable scoring, not a leader, will need a team/coach to push him to be more aggressive.

There's not much Morey can do to try and improve Simmons' value between now and the start of next season. Sure Morey don't have to trade Ben before next season starts but there will definitely be a lot of unnecessary pressure and attention on that team if they don't trade him.