Shams - Philly offered Simmons/Thybulle + draft compensation. Did we make the right deal?

Morley has a habit of getting to cute. He will never win a championship in my opinion.

 

There are teams DESPERATE to get into the playoffs, desperate to land a star player, he's still a star player. That he had a bad playoffs...I mean, many guys have had terrible playoffs ands till had value

We're acting like his entire career is the playoffs, it's not. Teams don't think "Man, we get him and get a championship." Teams like the Kings for example might think. "We really need a star player, it would be nice to make the playoffs."

Also, he's young enough for enough teams to think they can fix him.

You guys saying he has no value wehn Derozan had terrible playoff outings and Toronto flipped him for Kawhi.

Yall can shame me if he's traded for garbage next year, not gonna happen, definitely not with Morey.

Way too many desperate teams that just want to be relevant AND teams that just want to keep their star players happy by making a big splash move that will do it.

EDIT: Also, Rockbottom to me means Philly has to GIVE UP picks to trade him. I think if you believe that you are delusional. Philly won't be taking in a bad contract for him, they'll get picks, good picks, and good young players. This man is 24 years old, not 30. Potential is the pixie dust in the league.

 

So i'm seeing a possible CJ McCollum for Ben Simmons swap mentioned in Kevin O'Connor's article just posted. I also see that Morey didn't trade for Lowry bc of free agency + big name hunting like LaVine, Beal, and Lillard. I'm curious to find out Simmons value because Portland is a team that is stuck and trading CJ for Simmons won't move the needle. Are there rebuilding teams really willing to give up picks for Simmons? I guess we'll find out the market, but yikes, no sign of a jumpshot or anything to show for in the playoffs other than passing and defense. I think the most important aspect is the 76ers realize the roster is flawed and now teams can lowball for Simmons because Morey is 99.999999% going to try to trade him

 

If I’m morey I’m calling Minnesota about a Simmons for Russell swap maybe something like... Russell/Beasley for Simmons, Maxey, and Clark. I really don’t see a trade partner for Simmons they might be stuck with him, they might have to throw a pick in any deal involving him

 

Right, but that's exactly right.

CJ for Simmons doesn't move the needle for Portland BUT it might be a big splash move that gets Dame to stay if Portland really wants that...and he's young enough that if they lose Dame they can sell to the fans that they still have Simmons. It doubly works out for Portland any way, if they were moving on from Dame, Simmons for Dame works. Portland becomes a rebuilding team, Philly gives Embiid a legit 2nd option. Everyone is happy.

Teams can lowball for Simmons but that gets harder if there is competition though, you get 2-3 of these desperate teams and suddenly his price goes up. Whose the most desperate?

Teams like Minny, Sacramento, Chicago, Charlotte, Pelicans, fringe playoff teams DESPERATE to make the playoffs and be relevant might make a move for him.

Teams like Blazers, Pelicans, fighting to prove to their star players they are worth it, might make that trade too. Teams do desperate things to prove to their star player they are worthy, hell, that's what the Rockets did. We should know that.

At the end of the day, Simmons value isn't "Can we win a championship with him?" that's the unfair standard people are asking about his value. A lot of teams just want to be relevant and sell tickets.

 

Yes. I remember everything

Um, no he doesn't. The Rockets have more options without Simmons on the team. We're better off with Jae Sean Tate developing. No thank you

 

I am really happy we didn't get Simmons. My goodness. Hindsight is 20/20 obviously, but Stone definitely dodged a 6/10 240 useless bullet.

 

You think people want to pay to watch Simmons after this playoff series? Why would you shell out good money for tickets or League Pass for a guy who won't even be in the game in crunch time and is scared to dunk the ball with no defender between him and the rim?

 

No, he didn't.

Tilman was never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever going to trade James Harden to Daryl Morey.

 

On one hand, I can see Dame liking Simmons because of the added defensive backcourt help. On the other hand, Dame would need to carry a greater load. I think a Simmons and CJ are in the same ballpark of value, just opposite skill sets.

 

Dame would request a trade immediately. I can’t this of a single team that would want to trade for Simmons. maybe the 76ers are stuck with him and Embiid forces his way out.

 

Foresight was pretty damn close to 20/20 though.

 

Simmons shot worse at the free throw line than Dwight Howard

wow

 

But he's 24 though.

 

You got it backward. Toronto got Kawhi for Derozan not because Derozan was better than Kawhi, but because Kawhi was forcing his way out of SA. This was exactly the same situation when Philly could get Harden for Simmons. But Morey missed that chance. He can wait for another superstar to want to jump ship and try to package something really good with Simmons. Good luck for that.

Teams like the Kings don't have anything good other than future picks.

 

I was happy then and even happier now, man Simmons is just not that guy.

 

Does Simmons want to get fixed? For a player obsessed with his efficiency numbers (by not shooting). He couldn't hide his FT%. Dude has the worst free throw percentage in NBA playoff history (min 70 FTA). All time breh. Supposed playmaker, passes to Embid in the half court to bring up the ball, so he doesn't get hack-a-ben, and then goes and stand under the rim.

Past coach Boyle quoting Simmons:

'I don't want to read people saying I can't shoot.' Well, right now they're saying you won't shoot -- and that's worse."​

"If I were in charge of the Sixers, I'd tell him, 'If you don't take a pull-up jumper and a perimeter shot in each half -- I don't care about your percentages -- you're sitting,'"​

Embid:

"I would like if he would do the same for me, to start shooting [3s]. But I also know how uncomfortable he is with it."​

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76ers might be better off rebuild his value (even if it is regular season numbers) A more distant playoff memory will do them some good. 76ers should also demand an apology from Rich Paul for fleecing them.

From other team's perspective, there are plenty of young potential players who are easier to mold, and still hungry (Haven't secure that bag).

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Lastly, I kind of don't care if Simmons eventually figures it out. He already wasted a good chunk of Embid's prime (whose body might not hold up too long).

If a western team takes Simmons, that's good for the Rockets.

 

That’s about his shooting percentage too

 

Ouch lol.

 

still will never understand if you shoot under 50% why you don't go underhanded. mental midgets.