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Can Steph Curry carry his 1st team all NBA squad?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by KingCheetah, Jun 19, 2021.

  1. KingCheetah

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    i read that curry was the first guard since 1974 to make an all nba first team despite not making the playoffs. It looks especially bad because this year their was a play-in tournament. Its gonna look bad in 20 years from now when people look back and say," damn the media really loved curry". Almost like they had a vested intrest in him being the best guard of this era lol

    the media just loves him
     
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    Yeah, but without the play-in, the Warriors would have made the playoffs.

    I think his case for being the best guard of his era will grow unless another guard wins a championship being the best player on his team. Since Kobe finished off the 2000s, it's been Dirk, LeBron, Duncan/Kawhi, Curry, LeBron, Durant, Kawhi, and LeBron. Only one guard on the list and that is Curry. Call it luck, call it stacked team, call it rigging, but at the end of the day, he's the only guard to win a championship as the best player on his team and he has two strong MVPs to back him up as well. Plus, he's cute, you know.
     
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    Curry got MVP buzz and even MVP votes as he led his team to the play-in

    Does anyone doubt if the Warriors finished with the Mavs record, that Curry doesn’t actually win MVP over Jokic?

    Jokic got the least amount of attention of any MVP winner I think I’ve ever seen…they didn’t want to give him the award, but had no choice because Embiid and Bron missed too much time, and at the end of the day, Curry didn’t quite win enough games…Jokic got the “fine, I guess I’ll give it to u” MVP award
     
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    Curry would have made the playoffs with the help above.
     
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    Perhaps. There are a couple of weak defenders. Might need to swap at least one of them out for Draymond.
     
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    Out of the five, the two I prefer also happens to not have official Twitter handles.
     
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    How about we simply add Draymond to the team without removing anyone.

    Curry needs all the help he can get to make the playoffs.
     
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    nice.
     
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    curry doesn’t have more career points, rebounds, assists a higher career win shares per 48, or a higher career bpm than James harden despite harden starting his first 3 years as a 6th man. Sure I guess he could be considered the best guard of his era if we totally ignored the numbers and went based on narrative and popularity lol.

    curry will finish his career number 1 in 3 pointers, but harden will likely finish 2nd and the stepback 3 was a revolutionary shot

    they look closer than reality because the nba media has screwed harden out of 2 all nba selections and at least one other mvp award. If harden got those people would laugh if you compared curry to James

    https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/stephen_curry_vs_james_harden.htm
     
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    That's all fine and dandy, but when ranking players most people will look at championships and MVPs over stats, especially the advanced stats that the typical NBA fan or media member do not consider. Those types of metrics appeal to most baseball fans because of the nature of that game. Most basketball fans will value championships and MVPs over stats because a single player can make a tremendous impact in winning. A true NBA superstar is behind only quarterbacks in terms of the impact they can have on the outcomes of games. Actually, they are probably ahead of most quarterbacks.
     
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    championships only matter when ranking players when that said player ends the finals with a finals mvp. That’s why laker and Kobe fans won’t argue that Kobe 2 rings without Shaq mean way more than the 3 he won with Shaq and solidified him as a top 15 of all time. Curry has 3 rings but no fmvps. If the warriors win in 2016 draymond is the finals mvp, and if the warriors win in 2019 it’s klay more than likely. Currys championships in retrospect don’t matter because he was really never that great in the finals. Like that’s 4 guys potentially that win fmvp over curry in all of their championship runs. Iggy, draymond, kd and klay. That’s not a good look, and then you have his regular season production which also doesn’t match up favorably with other top 20 players of all time. Some of that you can blame on injuries. But harden beats curry pretty much everywhere and has had more mvp level worthy seasons overall
     
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    Dude, I love Harden, I presume you love Harden. If he wins the NBA title this year and doesn't win the MVP are you going to hold it against him?
     
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    it definitely won’t mean as much. But prior to his hamstring injury the nets were well on their way to winning the title with harden winning fmvp. He was rolling and had the best advanced stats on the team
     
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    much deserved. he's pretty
     
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    If James is healthy, I have no doubt that the Nets win the title. And I have no doubt that he is clearly their best player, and yet he may not be the MVP. If it's not to be this year because of injuries, I expect that it will be next year. This team with James 100 percent is unstoppable.

    However you know that the opponent in the final - which is the other best team, presumably well coached and strong defensively - will focus on stopping the best opposing player first and foremost, and it will be focused on James. And a smart superstar will defer to his teammates if the opposition is bent on stopping him. That's why they get in super teams with other top players, because that's what it seems to take to win in today's NBA most years.

    If Curry deferred to KD back in the day because the opponents - including as you know the Rockets - were bent on stopping Curry, I don't think the less of him because he followed the strategy that won them titles. And if James does it, I won't think any less of him either. On the contrary, I think if he does whatever it takes to win, it will validate everything he's done in his career, and will shut up the haters once and for all.

    MVP or not, it's not what matters. The truth is, Golden State for all their talent doesn't sniff one title, let alone win three, without Curry on their team. And likewise, I don't think the Nets will win any titles without James Harden, even in a wide open year. Who actually wins the MVP is secondary to who everybody - teammates and opponents as well as knowledgeable fans like presumably us - knows to be the heart of his team.
     
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    They really should change up the format for these All-NBA teams.

    Runner-up to MVP is on the 2nd team, all because there's only one spot for a center.

    Should just be 15 best NBA players. Forget positions.
     

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