1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Which team won the trade: HOU or VAN or ORL, 22 years later

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DrNuegebauer, Jun 17, 2021.

Page 1 of 2
  1. DrNuegebauer

    DrNuegebauer Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2000
    Messages:
    12,606
    Likes Received:
    9,732
    The Trade
    Houston received: Steve Francis' draft rights and Tony Massenburg from Vancouver

    Don MacLean and a 2001 first-round draft pick from Orlando (used to select Jason Collins)

    Vancouver received: Antoine Carr, Michael Dickerson, Othella Harrington, Brent Price and a 2003 first-round pick from Houston (used to select Marcus Banks)

    2002 second-round pick from Orlando (used to select Mattt Barnes)

    Orlando received: Lee Mayberry, Makhtar N'Diaye, Rodrick Rhodes and Michael Smith from Vancouver

    https://ca.nba.com/news/houston-roc...cis-11-player-trade/vqark9wmf6ze1954p41ndh75y






    [sorry guys, this place is becoming a bit macabre, let's lighten the mood and talk about random events in the past!]
     
    #1 DrNuegebauer, Jun 17, 2021
    Kevooooo, mightybosstone, Patience and 6 others like this.
  2. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,708
    Likes Received:
    132,013
    It is crazy that back then, the Rockets could get a player as talented as Francis for what they did.

    What Francis did on the court isn't a big deal now, elite athletes at the point are fairly common. Back in 2000 it wasn't like that. There were only a handful of point guards in NBA history that could score, rebound and pass like Francis did early in his career. Obviously Francis failed to keep developing and he also a lot of off the court issues.... but for awhile his upside was very high.
     
    #2 Nook, Jun 17, 2021
    JoeBarelyCares, topfive, Invisible Fan and 6 others like this.
  3. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,229
    Likes Received:
    143,654
    Steve Francis was so fun to watch…I was actually mad at JVG his 1st year here because I felt he was stifling Stevie’s game and restricting his creativity
     
    #3 Reeko, Jun 17, 2021
    DrNuegebauer, vlaurelio, clos4life and 1 other person like this.
  4. shorerider

    shorerider Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2003
    Messages:
    353
    Likes Received:
    326
    Wow those names bring back some memories. It's been 20 years already, sheesh!
     
    #4 shorerider, Jun 17, 2021
  5. SuraGotMadHops

    SuraGotMadHops Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    6,595
    Likes Received:
    8,169
    Did not know Matt Barnes was that old.
     
    #5 SuraGotMadHops, Jun 17, 2021
    Amiga and saleem like this.
  6. BossHogg713

    BossHogg713 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Messages:
    2,655
    Likes Received:
    2,709
    The Rockets felt good about Eddie Griffin coming out of Seton Hall University and traded Jason Collins, Brandon Armstrong and Richard Jefferson for his draft rights.

    Rockets were the first team sports team to trade 2 gay players in one deal.

    Collins and Jefferson.
     
    #6 BossHogg713, Jun 17, 2021
    coachbadlee likes this.
  7. saleem

    saleem Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2001
    Messages:
    30,218
    Likes Received:
    14,657
    Neither did I.
     
    #7 saleem, Jun 17, 2021
  8. DJ

    DJ Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2000
    Messages:
    1,421
    Likes Received:
    468
    Houston clearly won this deal. Brent Price and Antoine Carr were on the last legs of their career. Othella Harrington was a solid young player off the bench and Michael Dickerson had a solid rookie year. However getting the #2 pick for that package was a steal. They didn't even get Cuttino Mobley!

    Overall, I think Orlando lost that deal. They gave up a 1st and a 2nd round pick and receive guys who did not make much of a difference on the court. Why did they partake in this trade?
     
    #8 DJ, Jun 17, 2021
  9. Tom Bombadillo

    Tom Bombadillo Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    Messages:
    29,091
    Likes Received:
    23,991
    Steve and Cat were carrying some damn bums to .500 yearly.

    Would give anything to have seen at least 1 more full year of:

    Steve
    Cat
    Posey
    EGriffin
    Yao

    With a healthy Rudy T.

    JVG was an awful coach here, simple as that. First Round Exit machine. SVG is even worse.
     
    #9 Tom Bombadillo, Jun 17, 2021
    topfive, hahachui, Nook and 1 other person like this.
  10. BigM

    BigM Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2001
    Messages:
    18,091
    Likes Received:
    13,366
    I loved those early Francis years. This was only a few years removed from championships and freaking Dream and Barkley were still on the team. Having an explosive guard with ridiculous athleticism and potential was the perfect stepping stone to the next era.
     
    #10 BigM, Jun 17, 2021
  11. apollo33

    apollo33 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2009
    Messages:
    20,786
    Likes Received:
    17,333
    It was crazy watching Stevie jump in the dunk contest against VC and Tmac
     
    #11 apollo33, Jun 17, 2021
    Nook likes this.
  12. Jontro

    Jontro Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2010
    Messages:
    36,266
    Likes Received:
    25,341
    too young, never heard of em.
     
    #12 Jontro, Jun 17, 2021
  13. RKREBORN

    RKREBORN Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    10,567
    Likes Received:
    11,820
    #13 RKREBORN, Jun 17, 2021
    topfive, rockbox, mightybosstone and 2 others like this.
  14. TheRealist137

    TheRealist137 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    35,424
    Likes Received:
    22,560
    #14 TheRealist137, Jun 17, 2021
  15. treyk3

    treyk3 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    8,795
    Likes Received:
    16,236
    I think it's too soon to tell. Ask me in 22 years.

    Maybe Vancouver will have a team by then.
     
    #15 treyk3, Jun 17, 2021
  16. TEXNIFICENT

    TEXNIFICENT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    8,070
    Likes Received:
    7,018
    Are u sure?

    How could you possibly know?
     
    #16 TEXNIFICENT, Jun 17, 2021
  17. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2001
    Messages:
    19,116
    Likes Received:
    20,870
    I don't know who won but Vancouver definitely lost. Lost a potential franchise player, lost some credibility/likeability when Francis forced the trade, and of course lost an entire NBA franchise.

    That being said, I was really sad that Dickerson was included in the trade. I thought him and Mobley were going to be the Rockets backcourt for the next decade.
     
    #17 steddinotayto, Jun 17, 2021
  18. TEXNIFICENT

    TEXNIFICENT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    8,070
    Likes Received:
    7,018
    In this line of thinking, the Rockets whole existence has led to nothing but the two championship years. Everyone's Jersey should be immediately removed from the rafters except for Dream's, Clyde's & Rudy's (as coach).
     
    #18 TEXNIFICENT, Jun 17, 2021
  19. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2001
    Messages:
    26,597
    Likes Received:
    35,712
    Feels like there is no way that trade happens today. Imagine what it would take to trade for Green/Suggs/Mobley.
     
    #19 Deuce, Jun 17, 2021
    DJ likes this.
  20. ThatBoyNick

    ThatBoyNick Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    31,086
    Likes Received:
    48,655
    We got Lowry for peanuts too
     
    #20 ThatBoyNick, Jun 17, 2021
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 1 of 2

Share This Page