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Can Steph carry his own team thread.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jiggyfly, Dec 22, 2020.

  1. wekko368

    wekko368 Member

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    Sounds like you're unfamiliar with Draymond Green's halfcourt offense. He stands around with the ball, waits for teammates to create scoring opportunities for themselves, and then delivers a good pass. Do you consider that to be playmaking? I don't. It's high IQ passing but not playmaking. In any case, it's an offensive system designed to inflate his assist numbers, and because of Curry's injury last year, he was able to do so more frequently.

    Curry's assist numbers are deflated because he allows Draymond Green to be a primary ball handler.
     
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  2. Zboy

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    Its the playoffs and its awfully quiet in this thread.

    What gives?
     
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  3. hakeem94

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    wekko cant carry?
     
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    I'll entertain you with one more post, because frankly, this is getting sad. Looking at when you registered for this site, you should be at least in your 20s-40s, and spending several hours a day hammering away on your keyboard on a forum and insisting on winning arguments is not becoming of an adult. Frankly, screaming insults over a headset whilst playing Call of Duty is more respectable than what you are doing now.

    We are on the topic of playmaking. Let's look at the wikipedia definition, which redirects basketball play makers to point guards. I think it's fair to say playmakers and running "point" is practically identical or at least very similar, and you can see how wikipedia blatantly writes down the duties of running point.

    Controlling the pace creates defensive breakdowns for multiple reasons.
    1. Increasing the speed of the game, or "pushing the pace", forces both you and your opponent to run. That means quickly bringing the ball up the court, creating fast break situations, and taking advantage of your more athletic players. This creates a defensive breakdown because your opponents are not catching up, or they are uncomfortable playing the game at such a fast pace, which also leads to defensive breakdown. Forcing your opponents to play at your pace and speed is no different to forcing long range mid range shots, or giving up open 3s to bad 3 point shooters.
    2. Slowing the speed of the game, when appropriate, also puts your team at a position to score. If you have a slower and less athletic team, or you have a dominant low post presence, you want to maximize this by giving your team time to set up. Thereby, slowing the game down, allowing your team to get in position, and then setting up plays. For example, slowing the game down so that someone like Embiid can get in post position is already creating a good scoring opportunity.
    At this point, I do give you credit for being so ridiculously stubborn and shameless. It's like someone arguing loudly with a waiter over $0.10 on a bill when you are eating at a 3 star michelin star restaurant. At some point, you would think everyone in the room staring at you dumbfounded would be the point where you just stop and move on, but here you are, taking it up a notch by yelling at everyone staring at you in the room instead.
     
  5. hakeem94

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    I am expecting at least 50 pages more of this thread
     
  6. wekko368

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    Is educating the uninformed "becoming of an adult"? Because that's what I'm doing.

    Also, who are you to judge anyone on a personal level when you know absolutely nothing about their personal lives?

    This is only true for point guards who are also playmakers. Was Larry not a playmaker because he didn't run "point"?

    Another problem with your assertion is that it assumes playmakers must have the ball. I think we can all agree that the objective of playmaking is to create defensive breakdowns which leads to scoring opportunities for teammates. Curry accomplishes this result through his off-ball gravity and movement, so this facet of his game should be considered "playmaking".

    Yes, in this specific instance, that's playmaking since you created the defensive breakdown. But what about, after a long rebound or turnover, you pass the ball to your teammate who is ahead of the defense, and he scores? Whose the playmaker? You made the pass, but the teammate created the defensive breakdown. In fast break offense, this second scenario is far more common than your scenario.

    Here's the problem with your logic. If you throw the ball to Embiid in the post, and he scores against single coverage defense (or gets doubled and passes to a teammate for an open shot), how can you possibly call yourself the playmaker? Embiid is the one creating the defensive breakdown. Was Kenny Smith a playmaker because he made entry passes to Olajuwon?

    Also, slowing the game down allows for playmaking to happen. It isn't playmaking. Do you understand the difference?
     
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  7. Zboy

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    Curry is lucky that he has an owner that is willing to pay the luxury tax to try to get him lots of star players so that he can make the playoffs.
     
  8. jiggyfly

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    LOL @wekko368

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  9. wekko368

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    Are you too stupid to realize that I refuted the majority of his post?
     
  10. Clutch City1993

    Clutch City1993 Bury Me In The H

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    Close this thread forever.

    Burn it.

    Send it to hell.
     
  11. riko

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    No super team no cigar for Stephanie
     
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    Once again, Wekko can make all the excuses in the world, all I know is Steph couldn't even carry his team to the actual playoffs for two years in a row. I'm sure lots of excuses will be given once again, but facts are facts, Curry has not been able to carry his own team to the playoffs 2 years in a row. Now, get ready for several more pages of irrational and delusional posts by Wekko while he gets slapped around by pretty much everyone else in this thread. In the meantime, the answer remains a big fat NO, he cannot do it and has not done it for two years in a row when given the opportunity.
     
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  13. hakeem94

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    let curry and cp3 exchange teams, where these 2 lead the respecting supporting casts?
     
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    This years warriors team is not bad at all. Curry just doesn’t know how to elevate his teammates play while getting his numbers.
     
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  15. Zboy

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    #2895 Zboy, Jun 15, 2021
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    yeah, but do they get over lakers?
    for me its not hard to imagine that happens
     
  17. Zboy

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    Think we got the wrong Curry.

    Seth Curry carrying his team better than Steph did.

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  18. HardenVolumeOne

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    Watch at how the media starts trying to compare trae young to steph curry. Now that trae is doing well this postseason. But just 2 years ago Stephen curry said out of his own mouth that he was insulted with the comparison. When the hawks were trash last year everybody thought trae was so overrated and said he shouldn’t have made the all star team lol.

    it appears trae can carry a team and he ain’t playing with a defensive player of the year finalist
     
  19. Icehouse

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    As expected, Wiggins also got a vote. Two way player….
     
  20. Zboy

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    Are you saying that @wekko368 was wrong and severely misguided in his assessment??
     
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