Shams - Philly offered Simmons/Thybulle + draft compensation. Did we make the right deal?

Let’s go Ping Pong night, it will solve everything boyz, we won’t have to hear about the Harden trade ever again…
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+Matisse (& Simmons 1st team) makes 2nd team defense
-Ben benched at the end

“Simmons with just 3 points in second half” / 1-5 FT

 

this still isn’t that useful. They didn’t want to pay Ben Simmons. Big ****ing deal.

but if you were to tell me they could have got Luka (or similar) and passed because of financial reasons, then absolutely wtf.

The problem is Luka or similar wasn’t available. At bes you were talking a tier down if not two. And I also wouldn’t pay those players. Why would you? The rest of the roster isn’t close and for players of those tiers you need at least one player clearly better if not also that plus another payer of that tier (see Philly with Embiid, Simmons and Tobias)… if not even better than that (see Nets).

if the goal to win a ring why do that? If it saves the owner money even better. That doesn’t mean the owner is only cheap… even if he owner is also being cheap.

 

ITs about assets once again.
You don't have to pay simmons, lets be conservative and say he can get 2 first rounders in the market. Thats not accounting that he has never had the team built for him, like shaq embiid is just the best player, but a 4 out MDA style offense with ben simmons useage and shots up? He is looking pretty close to 22-11-8 with elite defense. So once again, yu don't have to like Simmons. Trade him, he could get more, well play it safef and say he got us 2 first rounders.

Jarret Allen, could've been showcased like we did for oladipo and his 22 year old putting up and easy double double gets you a first at least. Sign and trade him this summer, or sign him and trade himi later hes still getting you more than a milwaulkee late first rounder.

THats what it is. Did you notice Atlanta was taking on bad contracts to get little assets or picks here and there? Notice thunder doing the same?
This is asset collecting time for a rebuilding team and then we can flip those for picks and gives us flexiblity. It does not mean keeping and paying simmons

this mentality is the same people had with ariza, who was different bc he was a cohesive guy as in unlock and keep thigns in line with our locker room, chris paul himself said hes the most important piece missing but stans on the internet sy AriZa noT goIng to make a diffFerence bc they can read a box score...just a gross oversimplification meant for espn and Steven A. Not building a team

 

but you get less first rounders from Philly in the first place. So net net you’re likely plus or minus the same spot.

mans oh btw you don’t have KPJ… which might be fine but I’m in the camp that this dude can legit be really good so that’s a big blow to me.

but in any case… you’re just talking about return of assets

 

Go Rockets!!!
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that was stupid from the beginning. nobody needs to wait until 2026. the rockets are where they are right now bc of it

 

Agreed. I’m not a fan of Tillman as his personality just rubs me the wrong way. However, anyone saying Tillman took the Nets package because he’s cheap is incorrect even though they might technically be correct. Tillman and company knew the season was lost the moment James went rogue. Losing Morey, Mike, Dan, Tony, and Westbrick hurt but those losses were not insurmountable.

If you are a businessman why would you pay an exorbitant amount for an asset that you know won’t make you successful? You either are a contender or you’re not. I commend him for not trying to salvage viewership ($) in return for meaningless wins.

 

his cheapness started the second he became owner of a 65 win team that was gifted to him. he's been cost saving since despite telling folks he would spend. There's nothing incorrect about saying hes cheap because he's just continuing what he's been doing from day 1. And that's saving money and not spending to win which is necessary. Folks saying otherwise just haven't paid attention nearly enough

 

Where I am in this... this whole thing largely hinges on this year's pick. If the Rockets land top 4, that's better than any other asset acquired. Given Simmons likely makes you bettter, that improvement may end up just benefiting OKC (there's an outside hypothetical where we lose the lotto this year, and Simmons would've helped us win enough to get "more" lucky),

I can pretty easily rationalize KPJ+keeping this year's pick+ potential future crash and burn of the Nets being better than Simmons/Thybulle and potential mediocrity. But we'll see how it plays out.

 

Yeah, it's an overstatement to suggest that we won't talk about it, but I do think it would greatly reduce the anxiety. Because part of the calculus in the "Simmons or no Simmons" debate was the knowledge that having Simmons would make it much more difficult to bottom out and acquire elite talent(s) in the draft. If you win a top-four pick on Tuesday, that's something tangible you can point to that Houston received largely due to not choosing the Simmons path.

Granted, even if Tuesday goes bust, the same logic also applies to 2022 and 2023 (and there are no pick swaps in those years). But it would help a lot if fans have something they can directly point to, as opposed to hypotheticals that are months/years away.

 

Why is no one mentioning how some posters wanted to trade harden for the superstar herro

 

Do you know how many games kPJ played for cavs before tradd for him? He was inactive the entire time. Not one single minute. He was having issues and boiling over sooner or later. I get we got him for nothing after he was mad about our other trade, its still a strech to say it wouldn't have happened or was a part of the deal.

Cleveland was willing to swallow a bad contract of prince to get an asset in allen, thats what thunder hawks and rebuilding teams should do, but not rockets...
But yea the philly reports from shams have them giving us draft compensation, upto 2 firsts. Then simmons gives you 2 first two repackage, likewise thybulle and maxey give you one each possibly. And remember so far our brooklkyn milwaulkee most of them are late, we are just hoping they dont rebuild or attract talent and they become high picks, nothing solidified and not even close. So this has as much or more of a chance to be good, you get 5 in this one with some maneuvering. We'll never get back equal for harden, but we didn't do our sevf favors prioritizing expiring and sadly the trend of money as the main priority continued

 

That very misleading. Nobody would trade Harden for Herro, just like nobody would trade Harden for Simmons, or Oladipo or anyone else in the conversation. Its the packages we are talking about. I don't know what else Miami would put on the table. But it's definitely not just Herro.

 

Package of picks is a given in any trade for Harden.

Herro, like Simmons or Oladipo, was the supposed eye candy.

 

Miami had a boatload of promising young players. I remember there were talks about at least two or three of those guys, Herro, Robinson, Bam, Precious, Nunn, plus draft picks.

 

Where did you see anyone deny his cheapness? He has shown us that he’s cheap. Not bringing back Ariza and trading picks for LTS proved that to me, but to say that the reason Ben Simmons is not here is because he’s cheap is a joke. Doc Rivers can’t even figure out how to play him in the playoffs. If a convicted murderer kills someone when he/she is defending their home did they just convict murder or did they just defend their home? I used this analogy because Tillman is such a polarizing figure.