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Cade, Green, Kuminga, or Suggs?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mr Woods, Mar 12, 2021.

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Who should the Rockets draft?

  1. Cade Cunningham - 6’7 PG, 220 lbs, 19 yrs old

    415 vote(s)
    68.4%
  2. Jalen Green - 6’5 SG, 180 lbs, 19 yrs old

    61 vote(s)
    10.0%
  3. Jonathan Kuminga - 6’8 SF, 210 lbs, 18 yrs old

    35 vote(s)
    5.8%
  4. Jalen Suggs - 6’4 PG, 205 lbs, 19 yrs old

    50 vote(s)
    8.2%
  5. Other

    46 vote(s)
    7.6%
  1. Buck Turgidson

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    James Harden?

    Nope. Best Player Available.
     
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    I have basketball ennui. Somebody tell me the lottery and draft dates.
     
  3. saleem

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    Lottery date is June 22nd. The draft date is July 29th.
     
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    I was reading a column on PHX and the draft, and it was all about guards. An example of, if you have your 5 it makes your strategy so much easier. So, even with the change in the game, locking in your 5 is still the key. I think the assessment on Mobley is the most important one to be made in the draft. The 1 is as important in the game, perhaps, but you can find PGs and even sign them as FAs.
     
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    Difference being both those guys can / could shoot .... Mobley's shooting scares me. ~30 from college 3 and sub 70 from the stripe.
    And ~57% from the floor , its not like he's dominating in the paint either (offensively).
    Most guys who can shoot don't look mediocre from the floor , 3 and the stripe ... He's a real gamble and even if he turns out to be a Draymond Green type defender , if he can't shoot significantly better than he does now , he'll have been a bust at #2. You are expecting more there.


    After Cade , he might have the highest upside but he's also a massive risk.
     
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    Yes, Harden has gained a ton this season, mostly for the purpose
    of getting out of Houston. I believe it has contributed to his injuries
    this season. Added age, added weight (too much too quick for his frame)
    can lead to injuries.

    Zion at 285 is an injury waiting to happen. As he ages the weight will be
    too much for his body to sustain. He would play better at a weight of
    255 pounds and just as effective, if not better.
     
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    Thanks for sharing Vrenz video. I thought he might be too skinny, but looks like he's added some weight. Really like his game, but his jump shot is a little weird. Very compact upper body mechanics, but his release reminds me of a pinball paddle as you hit the button. His off elbow really sticks out and he fades backwards with his left side after the release. It's like he developed his shot as a kid and then his coaches have never tried to correct some of these minor issues. Besides that he finishes well with either hand, looks to have have great court vision, and moves like a much smaller man. With pro coaching he could develop into something special after a few years. Would love to see him in the G-League to start-off. It will be interesting to see where he goes, because many have him projected into early 2nd, but at 23 or 24, we should be swinging for the fences and he would fit that criteria.
     
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    well the good news is the draft isn’t tomorrow. Mobley should be putting on weight right now. Look at pictures of AD at Kentucky vs today for example. He didn’t turn into DRob but clear bulk up. Heck I think Embiid put on 15 pounds between the end of college and the draft.

    when I watch Mobley play I don’t see Isaac. Isaac reminded me more of a KD body type and fluidity. Slender.

    whereas with Mobley … not to focus too much on a guys butt area… but he seems like he has a frame that an grow into. Again not to turn into Shaq, DRob, Kevin Willis or anything. But can he make an AD transformation over 3-5 years. I think absolutely.

    but yeah… even AD has dealt with injuries. But so has Embiid (bigger)… yet Gobert hasn’t as much.

    in any case I’m talking 3 spot here. I’m still firmly Cade one (duh) and Green 2.

    as someone else mentioned.. the bigger concern to me is his shooting. You’d love for him to be a better shooter.

    With Suggs … even though I’m firmly beat player available… he’s not a great fit … imo… and I think he’s mostly a high floor guy. With Kuminga… someone will have to explain the fascination to me. Kid can’t shoot. At all. It’s the number one skill set in the modern nba for an offensive backcourt/wing player. And he can’t do it.

    if I’m #3… outside some stuff coming out between now and the draft or a bad draft combine/workout, I’m taking Mobley. If I’m 4 I’m hoping someone falls in love with a player and I trade back. I’d be willing to trade back from 3 also but only for a ransom.

    most interesting would be what happens if they’re 4 and Mobley slips. Because some team is going to absolutely fall in love with Mobley. Like have him as #1 prospect. But if it’s not those top 3 and you’re sitting there at 4 and can pick him… hmmm. Like take GSW. They pick 6 and 14. Could you do #4 and Eric Gordon for 6, 14, Wiseman, Oubre and their pick next year?? That type of thing.
     
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    If we do end up with the 4th pick we should be running up to the podium to draft Suggs.

    Dont sleep on Suggs
     
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    ha. I know I’m going on regret the take. But I’m sleeping on him.

    He doesn’t seem elite at anything. If he had gone to UK instead of Gonzaga this year (this year particularly but any other year pick any random 4th-8th team in a power 5 conference) I don’t think he’d be a top 5 lotto pick imo.

    well… he might be… but only because ots pretty hard to gauge any of he guards behind him on the board. I mean… no question Davion Mitchell is a baller… but as dumb as it is, his age makes up think “really… in the top 4??” The rest of the guards, Cade aside, have questions too.

    so it’s less Suggs not be worthy of a top 4 pick in general just wanting to maximize the asset and not caring as much about timeline, and if that means moving it for something better in the future, especially considering future drafts could be kore stacked when high schoolers enter… I’m for that.

    like here’s an idea… Suggs makes A LOT of sense in OKC imo. To the extent Suggs has a CP3 light like game, that works very well next to SGA. So trade back with OKC one pick and have them give you back one of your future picks you owe them.

    of course all this said… really idgaf. I’m just going to be ecstatic if they get to keep a top 4 pick and do anything with it.

    sidebar: I really like Jalen Johnson from Duke. I think he’s undervalued because of Dukes down year. This CBS mock from today has him down at 23rd which is insane to me.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...-no-1-kentuckys-isaiah-jackson-in-top-10/amp/
     
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    7 footers aren’t all built the same, Mobley’s frame is more like Perry Jones from Baylor ( if you remember 2012) than AD’s. I do think Mobley is very fluid for his size, but I think he won’t be able to check 4s/5s physically. His center of gravity is very high.

    I just brought up Suggs to demonstrate how light Mobley is.
     
  12. dmoneybangbang

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    I wouldn’t mind Kuminga, Suggs, or Mobley at 4.

    Suggs wouldn’t be a bad choice, I think he would be a good fit on the Rockets but probably won’t be a high ceiling guy.
     
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    I feel like Mobley playing defense at a high level in the NBA will be more like andrei kirilenko from the hated Jazz.
     
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    No. Best player available. Just not sure that is Green. It's kind of like taking a Offensive Guard in the first round that n the NFL. If it's not Quentin Nelson even though that guy might be the best player you go with the QB/DE/CB. I see Green now as Zach Levine and unless he can show he is more D. Wade I think I'll go with Cade or Mobley. Maybe this doesn't make sense or I'm not explaining it well I just have doubts about green.
     
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    Are u basically saying that u wouldn’t take a SG prospect with a top 3 pick unless they’re MJ, Kobe, or Wade caliber?
     
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    Upside is AD, think 2 way game wrecker.

    Mobley is the most disruptive defender since AD.

    And guess what AD shot from 3 coming out of Kentucky - 15%.

    Guess what AD's career 3P% in NBA - 31%.

    AD also shot 70% from FT.

    Mobley is still a kid, like AD was coming out of school, his game will improve.

    But IQ, defensive acumen, athleticism and intangibles are God given, not learned.
     
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    He gave you everything you wanted to see and more from a high school kid playing against men with professional experience. What more could you want?
     
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    And speaking of FT%.

     
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    I'm saying that I would lean more to guys with Mobley or Cade's skill sets if the talent level was close or equal. I think if they reach their potential that Cade and Mobley will be more impactful players. I think Zach Lavine is a successful result for Green. I think Cade can be a Luka lite (or a less athletic grant hill with a jumper). I think Mobley can develop into a Bosh like player. I'd take either over a shooting guard whose calling card is volume scoring. I'm willing to have my mind changed about Green though.

    Like I said, I see a very successful player. I just think that Cade and Mobley will be better over the long haul.
     
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    Zach Lavine is a fair comp to Jalen Green.
     

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