Chinese Virologist post report claiming virus made in Wuhan lab

There are 7 known human coronaviruses, none of which are known to directly come from bats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Infection_in_humans. It may have happened and we just don't know about it yet since we are at the tip of the iceberg on our understanding of these things.

 

"Conspiracy theorists" were right again as certain people get really quiet.

 

I think that we can all agree to not rule out this possibility.

 

In your link it does include SARS, MERS and Canine Coronavirus which are all zoonotic coronaviruses that have infected humans which shows that yes coronaviruses can jump from animals to humans. Agree we are at the tip of the iceberg which is why it's far too early or certain to say that COVID-19 had to come from a lab.

That's not to say it absolutely didn't but declaring that that is the ONLY way it could've gotten out is very premature and potentially overlooks other avenues it could've arisen.

 

At least you know where your priorities are.

 

SARS, MERS and SARS-2 are all listed in the link. I never said that coronaviruses cannot jump from animals. I made the point that COVs are not known to jump directly from bats to humans, so there should be an intermediary host. With both SAR-1 and MERS the intermediary animal was found pretty quickly because the first cases had direct contact with the animals. SARS-2 does not have any evidence of an animal host. They have sample something like 80,000 animals and have found nothing.

I'm also not saying it had to come from a lab. However, I think that is where the circumstantial evidence is pointing.

• WIV created pandemic potential pathogens
• The virus was immediately well adapted to humans
• No evidence of an intermediate host
• China has actively covered up evidence

 

It's reality.

@rocketsjudoka

 

What happened to it coming from Chinese people eating bat soup????

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6178078/

I already knew the study you were misrepresenting. Have you read the study? 6 out of 218 people tested possibly had antibodies for a bat coronavirus. Again, your statement that millions of Chinese have a bat coronavirus is absurd.

 

6/218 = 3%. 3% of a billion = 30 million.

Math is your friend

And it did not say they possibly had antibodies.

You said bat coronaviruses could not make a direct jump from bat to humans. That statement is false.

 

Which doesn't mean much..... We are still searching for the zoonotic origins of the recent Ebola outbreak years later. The idea that zoonosis isn't a valid concern is just ignorance.

Investigating the zoonotic origin of the West African Ebola epidemic

 

Critical thinking is apparently not your friend. None of those people had an active virus. You can't extrapolate their small study near a bat cave to the whole country of China. All this proves is the people at EcoHealth Alliance were running PR from multiple angles at the start of the outbreak.

 

You are spinning evidence to fit your narrative. Are you aware you are engaging in confirmation bias?

 

These cases are not really comparable. Ebola was first discovered 45 years ago. Compare this the SARS and MERS which took 3 and 9 month to find the intermediate host is my memory is correct.

 

And it is taking several years from the recent Ebola outbreak and we still don't have it pinned down. We think it's bats and not primates this time, which is a bit of a departure.

The reason why zoonosis was such a widely accepted explanation is because that is how many of the more virulent viruses jump from species to species. That can be research and investigated much more readily than an autocratic government's lab. I think it was silly to out right deny it a lab leak was possible, but getting the Chinese to cooperate will be impossible.

I will remind the right wing and their media that they started off with "Covid is a democratic hoax".

 

Spinning evidence to fit a narrative. Really, after you just made the egregious claim that millions of Chinese have an unknown coronavirus that led to SARS-2. Do you want me to go back through this thread and point out all the ridiculous statements you have made? While I have over and over again said that both lab leak and natural origin are possible.