I totally understand that abotu the grandstanding and the silliness of the primaries. But tulsi gabbard wasn't grandstanding with little substance. Go look up KAmala's actual history as a senator and as AG. Those were all facts. IS politics full of compromise and self serving 'deal making', yea sure. But you can argue the populace is demanding a change heck they went to a straight con man just to get away from the status quo. With a senate and a congress that has such low approval rates, right, left across the board, it isn't surprising that people who say 'how washington works' hasn't worked optimally for the people it serves, but the characters and figures whose powers it has seemed to perserve. And yes, biden's pull and a big reason he won I think was his centrist mentality. I get all that and I don't hold that, but I'm not talking abotu the times he compromised for the right, I'm talking abotu causes and rules that he championed often outspokenly and had terrible results. Do I think hes some bad figure or evil character cabal or whatever the hell people say? no, but in terms of effective governtemnt trust in the instituions this whole thing isn't about perserving or defending biden, it isn't about perserving or defending trump as he thinks it is either, this is about trying to find effective leadership. If biden had made such terrible final calls, costly enough to destroy milliosn of lifes and trillions of dollars, whats wrong with saying maybe you can sit in the cabinet this time, help with your wealth of experience and let someone else make a final call. Its the same issue i had with trump, peopel were not thinking pragmatically about america it was almost just to save someones bust or legacy. This isn't about them. Same with RGB, a damn trailblazer, but it couldn't hurt if they took it more serious when even obmaa spoke to her about stepping down earlier, this ain't about you in public service and thats no disrecpt to her amazing legacy bc there are so many lives and resources at risk. Likewise with Feinstein who also has had actual examples of repeating things twice, not remembering an issue she just spoke about. Her service was long and celebrated, but the governtment must keep functioning. I get trump is a clown show and the gop rather than learning from jan 6 that trump is TRUMP FIRST not america first has doubled down on their polling and gone all in on some sort of monarchy where trump chooses who has power. scary stuff. So I Get that, I biden or really an organgtanu is better than trump, this isn't about that. Also don't know who those people are. I'm fairly new here this year, I just don't see the incentive of alt accounts in my personal opinion. I've never logged out of this computer and its all anonymous so i don't get why people care anymore when were all just talking junk on a message board so that one flies by me. Even if I said the wrong or unpopular thing, once again who cares its a message board why would i sign out, sign in as somoene else anonymous and defend myself and then sign back in and out...cmon
It's not about TSA outsourcing its about them usually hiring not very motivated people. It's also not as simple as not liking a polling place and going to another because that would be a win by the biased manager. How do you make sure it will money will be the actual incentive for that entrepreneur's
Tulsi has nothing to do with anything man, don't focus on tulsi, she was just the vehicle for quotes from the debate after showing the kamala quote. The actual content is what I was talking about and that really doesn't bode well for Kamal's time as AG, time as senator. Adn the focus is on hyporisy. Biden is strong on saying Beau deserves comapssion and I agree generally with drugs, treating people who are not violent in jail at the cost of 30-80k per tax payer let alone taking away their own tax paying and their own health in there makes 0 sense. The problem i have is the hypocrisy. When his family went through that, he asked for compassion yet other families he is the one who led the speeches in the 90s towards the drug war, towards the jailing. he was a big mover in the case and then till even last year, he said marijuan shouldn't be legalized because it may be a gateway drug. Once again, his son aint going to jail, people drinking alcohol that may lead to severe problems may not go to jail. IT becomes sick when you actually know people who are ogod fathers, mothers, brothers, kids, sisters and they end up in jail, their futures ruined, their fmailies futures thrown of with a loved one locked up for something non violent. Its absolutely immoral when you have the right to change that and you just try to take your time. Kamala was guilty too and the lobbies of the police unions where she helped cover up corruption in a obvious Orange County corruption case to her supporting private prison labor and keeping mar1juana folks in there were just outrageous. Further more Biden implemented a policy even trump didn't where he had staffers who admitted to using weed fired or repositioned out of the white house, a barometer that even obama, clinton, or kamala wouldn't have passed. Then you goto his wars. Hes championed bombing and aggressive wars since the 90s,2000s, be it israel or iraq and afghanistan. I don't get why its a controversial take when just the above two examples has cost the taxpayers trillions of dollars, families millions of lives to say ok maybe we should not give him teh final say? Trump is gone, trump was a terrible narccisit, nowe wehave biden. We're seeing him still sell us governtment arms deals to both Saudi for Yemen and Israel For gaza. wE're seeing him put up someone like Neera tanden who has gone on to attack the very entitlements that she was touted to protect let alone her actual physical abuse of a reporter that belongs in the trump administrtion. The complete a sentence was hyperbole, but he had so many lost moments and lost his trail of thought mid big time speeches, and a few times he held his own, but I would think as the most important person in us politics we have a higher barometer than that. I get him being nominated bc he was most likely to dismantle trump, that ringed true, but it was very, very close and people who won't be objective as biden continues to not back up his own policy should respect the worry in 2022,2024 because trump is still lurking and i don't want people to give more reason to bring him back.
I have no idea what Kamala has to do with this as well as Tulsi. I have no issue with anybody being critical of Biden and his past stances but when you start with he can't complete a sentence it shows you have a strong bias and cannot debate his merits logically. Who is not being objective? No president is gonna have everybody agree with his policies, I don't agree with everything but let's talk about what we don't agree with instead using hyperbole and straw-men.
Thats fine, but the speaking part while hyperbole was alarming to me. Like it or not what they tried to do with hilary, speaking public speaking and communication is a MASSIVE part of being president. It is not a monarchy, more often then not they don't even get involved with the nitty gritty of policies. You have so muh staff and delegates doing that before you are the 'sign off' guy but mainly final decision maker. We have 3 checks and balances and major levels of government, and the main spokesperson of the united states internationalyl and domestically is the president. So not having access to biden is similar to me of trump demanding only preferable treatment by the media, the main point is checks and accountability and with biden's shaky record on wars and those are serious its not just 'one difference' thats millions of lives, trillions in resources, future america trust, all kinds of matters is very ,very legitimate criticism when he supported most of our ill advised costly wars. Likewise him doubling down and contiuing to punt on innocents being jailed be it how you look at it in terms of human rights, if you look at the economics its bad policy. Then you take a look at his policy with the banks. His track record just doesn't give me confidence Further more just the blantant lying when he first ran for president, that isn't normal to sit there and scream and lie to reporters about verifiable record. Its not ok when trump does it, why would we say its ok when biden does it? I just think if you keep trying to attack the messenger, trying to cherry pick if i chose someone's quotes be it kamala who is his vp or tulsi a former dnc chair, or taking one intenret phrase and trying to say im' a bot or an alt or not serious rather is just deflection and similar to what trump does. " You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today. Abraham Lincoln"[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE] I am not cherry picking anything, you led of your diatribe with it. And then you do it again by trying to say nobody has access to Biden, so it seems that you cannot actually talk about Biden on the things he has actually done while president but want to go to the negative Biden talking points. I am not attacking you I am just stating the obvious, you don't like Biden and will use hyperbole and talking points to sway opinion. Once again I will ask who did you want to win the nomination and why would they have been better than Biden?
I am not cherry picking anything, you led of your diatribe with it. And then you do it again by trying to say nobody has access to Biden, so it seems that you cannot actually talk about Biden on the things he has actually done while president but want to go to the negative Biden talking points. I am not attacking you I am just stating the obvious, you don't like Biden and will use hyperbole and talking points to sway opinion. Once again I will ask who did you want to win the nomination and why would they have been better than Biden?[/QUOTE] I just don't get why you think I don't "like biden" I thought he was a great VP, which is generally a ceremonial supportive role. He was likeable and a good support of establishment for something so new and to some 'radical' in BarakObama, I defintiely get why he became more likeable. And yes he is less accessible to the press. It wasn't ok when trump did it, its not ok when Biden did it. Its not ok when trump kept on Corey L after he got physical with a reporter, its not ok that biden who said specifically he would have a better relationship with the press hires neera tanden who bragged about pushing a reporter for askign a question she didn't like to Hilary. Furthermore, she wasn't approved by the senate. You know what trump did to people who weren't approved, he found loop holes to nominate them anyway, be it as advisors or temporary fillers. You know what that is, an abuse of not just democracy, but checks and balances of our system. Its terrible, and its terrible when biden does it, why is only for one side to be called out. But I'm also old enough not to forget other policies hes support or championed and pushed for: "The Iraq War -(afghanistan, bosnia, yugoslavia, afghanistan sudan, all before9/11 so on almost every bombing campaign you can think of hes supported and pushed for american exceptionalism) NAFTA -Normalizing trade with China - likewise with the TPP under clinton. Globalization was coming, but the proof is in the details in smart legislation. Wrong legilsation, like his for jail and criminal reform, can do so much damage including public faith in the instituions. He's continued to show terrible decision making to those details. Repealing Glass-Steagall -Extending the Bush tax breaks for the 1% - -Crime Bill, -Drug War I think the only thing he was generalyl a champion of that turned out to be right is on lgbt rights. But lets not forget his handling of the Anita Hill hearing as well. His record is not promising, quotes of him are not reason to trust 'uncle joe', you call me anti joe like I'm talking about his hair sniffing junk. No I'm talking his own words, his own policies, why i that so hard to fathom and argue? The Wall Street bailout -Welfare reform, Let alone the answers hes championed like the dodd-frank act. Look at the biproduct of that act. No wall street execs even had to change jobs after they gambeled away billions of american money, under bidens criminal reform including cocaine etc differences he championed jailing minorities poor people, so on, but was always comfortable looking the other way for the rich donors. That took away banks in a blank slate and incentivized only to take on safer loans with people with collateral already. So that led to where more concentrated wealth bc it made class mobility that much harder and access to capital to those who already have it. These things are important, if you continue to support policy that didn't pan out 10-15 years later, is he the right person to continue to make those decisions? These are important questions. they were important questions for Trump who almost all his policies were short sighted and can really harm the country, but if you said that or asked him he was quick to call everyone Anti-Trump as you are, or anti christian or conservative or whatever...just basically attacking the messenger, falling back on a bigger group rather than actual policies. ITs said as I'm happy to critisize the trump cult, the trump policies as much as I am for bernie warren, bush, clinton, obama and thus biden who has a long track record of blantantly lying. Not that it matters, I've met him. Nice charming dude, I can see why hes a good politician. That doesn't make good politician good for the people, soemtimes Dc is about sustaining you're power and position. That doesn't mean I think hes evil, I think hes an opportunist and pragmatic, and thats more of the common in DC. Its more worrying seeing people just shoot down questiosn as 'anti biden' as much as it was for trump with 'anti trump derangement or whatever he coined. I've always felt its important to really have checks and balances, transparecny and go through the recipepts of people we entrust with the awesome power and privelge of managing american resources. That goes for cops, that goes for judges, that goes for politicians, that goes for sheriffs...anything. ITs an imporant element of democracy and the opposite of that is calling someone 'anti' this and just attacking the messegner. Its not just you doing it, it was trump, its Netanyahu, Its Duerte, its MBS, its Modi..heck ieven with rockets you have people saying oh they are 'anti-tilman' I didnkt know the dude existed 3 years ago, I go by his own quotes and his own moves. why would I be anti-any of them. Its not a personal econnection..its a simple playbook. I want the best for biden bc if he succeeds So you can argue that hes better for african americans than Trump. you could make that case for every single democratic candidate in the field. so that doesn't hold that much weight when choosing a dem candidate. Let alone I don't think people should vote by color as well. Racism is real ,systematic issues are tragic and will need long term conversation and changes so we can make every american have a chance, economis and shrinking middle class, inflation of and wage disrepency, harder than ever social mobility will affect all americans. To take popular culture, will smith and carlton are going to have totally different american experiences jut like any black or brown person in beverly hills vs urban philly in public housing. Yes they will both deal with racisim, but its very difficult to ee what biden and his policies can do to better that. especially as he continues to extend the patriot act and continues to empower the 'force'. Better than trump Sure, but thats a pretty damn low barometer to shout down anyone objectively looking at biden and saying looks he not trump. If they don't do better, trump is going to be back.
. Once again I will ask who did you want to win the nomination and why would they have been better than Biden?[/QUOTE] You also gotta look along with the policies hes supported the warrs hes supported domestically and internationally, then his own state he was senator over. Do you know one thing that draws both Clinton and Trump, literally, to biden's great state of deleware? " Warren vows to close the so-called “Gingrich-Edwards” loophole, a way for the rich to avoid Social Security and Medicare contributions. Self-employed individuals can set up S corporations to pass through earned income from consulting, book advances, speaking fees, or whatever else. The Trump administration just made S corporations more lucrative by adding large deductions for pass-through income. If the individual classifies money taken out of the S corporation as an investor distribution rather than a salary, that money avoids payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare. It gets taxed as a corporate profit (at a lower overall rate) rather than income. Newt Gingrich and John Edwards, the namesakes of the loophole, both used this to funnel millions of dollars into their hands without paying payroll taxes. As Ryan Grim at The Intercept flagged yesterday, Biden uses the Gingrich-Edwards loophole. He and his wife have set up S corporations in Delaware, which is notorious for its allowances for shell corporations and financial concealment. According to The Wall Street Journal, the Bidens have reported over $13 million in profits the past two years through the S corporation, while only taking out $750,000 as salary. That leaves over $12 million, made through book deals and speaking fees, ineligible for payroll taxes, particularly for Medicare (those taxes are uncapped, as opposed to Social Security taxes, which are only collected on the first $132,900 in income). The money is also untraceable, a nice side benefit. As a result, we don’t know who paid the Bidens for all the speeches, or how much he was paid. The Journal also reported that Warren, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders did not take advantage of this loophole for their income made through books and books and speeches." "Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden used a tax loophole that the Obama administration tried and failed to close, substantially lowering his tax bill." " There aren’t many things upon which Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump agree, especially as they court very different Delaware voters ahead of a primary on Tuesday. But the candidates for president share an affinity for the same nondescript two-storey office building in Wilmington. A building that has become famous for helping tens of thousands of companies avoid hundreds of millions of dollars in tax through the so-called “Delaware loophole”. The receptionist at 1209 North Orange Street isn’t surprised that a journalist has turned up unannounced on a sunny weekday afternoon." As for who I wanted to win. I really Wish Stavey Abrams ran. She was to me just amazingly impressive. I also wished to see someone like Katie Porter Run. Further more I liked the communication, wit, and pragmatic of Mayor Pete. I thought Klobuchar could've been a strong centrist candidate who could bring both sides of the isle, was intelligent, and strong speaker which was a weak biden point. Maybe, maybe WArren but I just think she was terrible in political choices and would be ripe for trump to tear apart. If we're going to stick to centrist, which I think both you and I agree may have been the only way to take down the trump cult I would've gone with klobuchar, Yang, bloomberg, and even Steyer all could add something new to the conversation and would've been way stronger on trump. Biden is terrible in debates, he always has been. I braced myself for him against trump, he did much better and by that low standard I mean he totally didn't fumble it. I don't get anyone who makes a case for biden to be a good speaker or communicator, I'd love to see where you see somethings he's said that you can pass on. I think Joe is more moldable. Hi whole career hes flipped and flopped gone against his own words, be it back when supporting the Reagan CIA or against it, or whistleblowers, or Jimmy carter's nominees. So thats a good thing that they can be shaped, but by who? and you're constant shouting down any criticism of him doesnt do a good job to shape the voices telling him look we disapprove of some of thee past decisions, get it right this time. Then we mine as well have trump if we're demanding blind loyalty and "anti" or "pro" binary stances in my opinoin. I've never even see you say anything but defend him almost as if you were his press secretary. yet you say its fine to critisize him but is he perfect to you? If not none of the above or even more bother you ? is there anything I'm curious where you find disappointment in him? I hope you don't result to just nitpicking one quote or source to say its "anti-biden" or not serious, talk about the policy, talk about what you do disapprove and approve of him, don't go trump adn attack the mesenger. I'm not your enemy, I do not want trump back in the white house in 2024 and these conversation are important to do that, shouting down any dissent or questions as anti or not serious is a part of what allowed the hole and outrage and disenfranchisement that led to trump IMO
@jiggyfly quotes didn't come out right above but that was the reply above. once again its not that i don't "like" biden, if he was a senior advisor, senior cabinet member I'd totally get it. He has years of experience, years of relationships. he could help support things, but my take is hes been a terrible as an executive decision maker judging by many of his decisions as named above, with a track record like that i would not want him to be the final decision maker just like i see turmp with his bankruptcies and terrible decisions, i'm fine with efficiency/business man at top, but that clown and his record on terrible decisions? America doesnt have 14 bankrutcies and poppas money to bail us out. Likewise biden has years of terrible costly decision making, if he was in the cabinet thats fine, but its hard for me to understand people endorsing and feeling optimistic about him as a leader. More optimistic than trump? sure. but optimistic as a leader with his track record, better put fire to the foot to keep his head on straight imo. that goes for most politiciasn or people in power, accountability and transparency checks and balances are bedrocks that sohuld be there no matter what cult follows a 'leader', trump/biden/obama/clinton,bush regan whoever. lastly can you post or link a viewable form where i dont have to pay for boston globe in your last article/ would love to read it.
There is no reason for anyone to even consider bringing back Trump. Period! As if all his Covid hoax lies weren't bad enough, the Capitol insurrection should be enough for anyone with an ounce of concern over what he is capable of doing next to vote against him. Nobody is a bigger liar than Trump, and nobody has taken such means for power to push such outrageous lies. He has turned his party a bunch of despicables, who are all defending his lies, and pushing his BS propaganda. They are not a conservative party by any means. They have shown glimpses of the means they will take to rule, and conquer forever. It's scary. It's like "Screw Democracy" because we will overturn votes by any means. If Biden could beat Trump before the Capitol riots I believe an even stronger candidate in 2024 should knock Trump out out for good. It's hard to be any less desirable than a sociopathic lying traitor.
You also gotta look along with the policies hes supported the warrs hes supported domestically and internationally, then his own state he was senator over. Do you know one thing that draws both Clinton and Trump, literally, to biden's great state of deleware? " Warren vows to close the so-called “Gingrich-Edwards” loophole, a way for the rich to avoid Social Security and Medicare contributions. Self-employed individuals can set up S corporations to pass through earned income from consulting, book advances, speaking fees, or whatever else. The Trump administration just made S corporations more lucrative by adding large deductions for pass-through income. If the individual classifies money taken out of the S corporation as an investor distribution rather than a salary, that money avoids payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare. It gets taxed as a corporate profit (at a lower overall rate) rather than income. Newt Gingrich and John Edwards, the namesakes of the loophole, both used this to funnel millions of dollars into their hands without paying payroll taxes. As Ryan Grim at The Intercept flagged yesterday, Biden uses the Gingrich-Edwards loophole. He and his wife have set up S corporations in Delaware, which is notorious for its allowances for shell corporations and financial concealment. According to The Wall Street Journal, the Bidens have reported over $13 million in profits the past two years through the S corporation, while only taking out $750,000 as salary. That leaves over $12 million, made through book deals and speaking fees, ineligible for payroll taxes, particularly for Medicare (those taxes are uncapped, as opposed to Social Security taxes, which are only collected on the first $132,900 in income). The money is also untraceable, a nice side benefit. As a result, we don’t know who paid the Bidens for all the speeches, or how much he was paid. The Journal also reported that Warren, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders did not take advantage of this loophole for their income made through books and books and speeches." "Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden used a tax loophole that the Obama administration tried and failed to close, substantially lowering his tax bill." " There aren’t many things upon which Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump agree, especially as they court very different Delaware voters ahead of a primary on Tuesday. But the candidates for president share an affinity for the same nondescript two-storey office building in Wilmington. A building that has become famous for helping tens of thousands of companies avoid hundreds of millions of dollars in tax through the so-called “Delaware loophole”. The receptionist at 1209 North Orange Street isn’t surprised that a journalist has turned up unannounced on a sunny weekday afternoon." As for who I wanted to win. I really Wish Stavey Abrams ran. She was to me just amazingly impressive. I also wished to see someone like Katie Porter Run. Further more I liked the communication, wit, and pragmatic of Mayor Pete. I thought Klobuchar could've been a strong centrist candidate who could bring both sides of the isle, was intelligent, and strong speaker which was a weak biden point. Maybe, maybe WArren but I just think she was terrible in political choices and would be ripe for trump to tear apart. If we're going to stick to centrist, which I think both you and I agree may have been the only way to take down the trump cult I would've gone with klobuchar, Yang, bloomberg, and even Steyer all could add something new to the conversation and would've been way stronger on trump. Biden is terrible in debates, he always has been. I braced myself for him against trump, he did much better and by that low standard I mean he totally didn't fumble it. I don't get anyone who makes a case for biden to be a good speaker or communicator, I'd love to see where you see somethings he's said that you can pass on. I think Joe is more moldable. Hi whole career hes flipped and flopped gone against his own words, be it back when supporting the Reagan CIA or against it, or whistleblowers, or Jimmy carter's nominees. So thats a good thing that they can be shaped, but by who? and you're constant shouting down any criticism of him doesnt do a good job to shape the voices telling him look we disapprove of some of thee past decisions, get it right this time. Then we mine as well have trump if we're demanding blind loyalty and "anti" or "pro" binary stances in my opinoin. I've never even see you say anything but defend him almost as if you were his press secretary. yet you say its fine to critisize him but is he perfect to you? If not none of the above or even more bother you ? is there anything I'm curious where you find disappointment in him? I hope you don't result to just nitpicking one quote or source to say its "anti-biden" or not serious, talk about the policy, talk about what you do disapprove and approve of him, don't go trump adn attack the mesenger. I'm not your enemy, I do not want trump back in the white house in 2024 and these conversation are important to do that, shouting down any dissent or questions as anti or not serious is a part of what allowed the hole and outrage and disenfranchisement that led to trump IMO [/QUOTE] Dude did you really write 3 separate post to respond to a simple question and then you never actually answered that question, you just don't like Biden. Since when does Biden have a cult, you sound delusional. Anyway I am done. you are all over the place and I have no idea what you are going on about except that you really don't like Biden and will use any and everything to discredit him. If you want people to debate actually debate with you be more succinct.
Dude did you really write 3 separate post to respond to a simple question and then you never actually answered that question, you just don't like Biden. Since when does Biden have a cult, you sound delusional. Anyway I am done. you are all over the place and I have no idea what you are going on about except that you really don't like Biden and will use any and everything to discredit him. If you want people to debate actually debate with you be more succinct.[/QUOTE] Bro, once again man, I absolutely get that it was a long winded rant. Thats fair that its not digestable, but i mentioned several several several policies and things he championed and voted for as my problem, yet you continue to deflect to you just 'dont like biden' or he has a cult? I didn't say he has a cult. I said its cultish that just like trumps where everyone who likes trump just jumps rope to defend or make excuses or deflect, thats not a serious argument for trumps and likewise with biden you haven't talked about one thing you don't disappove, so its almost cultish. almost everything is made to defend as if you were a press secretary not us having a discussion. I included several things hes championed and supported, you don't talk abotu anything. If anything I'd say you're not someone to take serious to actually argument, but you just try to nit pick one word or hyperbole and then say almost everytime "you're not serious" At what point when i cited that biden seems like an nice guy, the optimism is unlike trump he can be swayed bc his past history shows he stands for very little and is an opportunitst, thats fine that works in politicis and democracy so that we the people can sway him, but I cited his executive decision making from trade agreements, to war hawking consistently, to hawkish domestic policies above as reasons that i'm not optimistic of him as a final executive decision maker but I'd be very well comfortable with him in the cabinet or a senior advisor-how is that "i hate biden"? I wouldn't be comfortable with trupm doing either of those, even in a business adivsory board bc the guy is as advertised...a reality show businessman born on 3rd base but acts like he hit a triple, his personally business doesn't translate to proper large scale operations like government. His mentality, short sighted approach has been detrimental not just to the country at the moment but the constitituion. I'm fine with someone new, and now we have someone new and I've cited his history of maybe lies or bad policies as reasons and you just say " i dont like it" further I asked you to post the boston article you cited so i can go through it, but once again, I don't think you're a serious objective person, maybe just a shill as per you're responses.
Bro, once again man, I absolutely get that it was a long winded rant. Thats fair that its not digestable, but i mentioned several several several policies and things he championed and voted for as my problem, yet you continue to deflect to you just 'dont like biden' or he has a cult? I didn't say he has a cult. I said its cultish that just like trumps where everyone who likes trump just jumps rope to defend or make excuses or deflect, thats not a serious argument for trumps and likewise with biden you haven't talked about one thing you don't disappove, so its almost cultish. almost everything is made to defend as if you were a press secretary not us having a discussion. I included several things hes championed and supported, you don't talk abotu anything. If anything I'd say you're not someone to take serious to actually argument, but you just try to nit pick one word or hyperbole and then say almost everytime "you're not serious" At what point when i cited that biden seems like an nice guy, the optimism is unlike trump he can be swayed bc his past history shows he stands for very little and is an opportunitst, thats fine that works in politicis and democracy so that we the people can sway him, but I cited his executive decision making from trade agreements, to war hawking consistently, to hawkish domestic policies above as reasons that i'm not optimistic of him as a final executive decision maker but I'd be very well comfortable with him in the cabinet or a senior advisor-how is that "i hate biden"? I wouldn't be comfortable with trupm doing either of those, even in a business adivsory board bc the guy is as advertised...a reality show businessman born on 3rd base but acts like he hit a triple, his personally business doesn't translate to proper large scale operations like government. His mentality, short sighted approach has been detrimental not just to the country at the moment but the constitituion. I'm fine with someone new, and now we have someone new and I've cited his history of maybe lies or bad policies as reasons and you just say " i dont like it" further I asked you to post the boston article you cited so i can go through it, but once again, I don't think you're a serious objective person, maybe just a shill as per you're responses.[/QUOTE] You got me now I will find a hole and hide.
You got me now I will find a hole and hide.[/QUOTE] Once again, just internet chitchat and spending time finding one thing to disagree and say "youre not serious" In almost all your post, you post very little actual argumetns or evidence, just try to nit pick a phrase and stick with that to stop the argument before it stops. Almost as if you worked for the dnc, rather than anyone objective or reasonable. I mean you're intellectual response is really "you hate biden"...why? I've complimented some dems that you've cited, i gave you who i would vote for which fits all profiles...why would i exclusively hate biden and be fine with warren, butigeg(in his cabinet), klobuchar, porter, abrams, or even yang for president...what gymnastics are you doing to getting that except avoiding any of the actual substance? After a couple rounds with you, happy to be on your ignore list. Couldn't even post the article you cited in one of the few times you actually had a response with any substance. Just not a serious conversation, more of a twitter warrior who just tries to insult the messenger rather than the message and thats usually a strong point of someone having no reasonable response, so they move to the unreasonable. It is what it is, enjoy your hole. peace out alt account https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/us/politics/joe-biden-black-voters.html
Once again, just internet chitchat and spending time finding one thing to disagree and say "youre not serious" In almost all your post, you post very little actual argumetns or evidence, just try to nit pick a phrase and stick with that to stop the argument before it stops. Almost as if you worked for the dnc, rather than anyone objective or reasonable. I mean you're intellectual response is really "you hate biden"...why? I've complimented some dems that you've cited, i gave you who i would vote for which fits all profiles...why would i exclusively hate biden and be fine with warren, butigeg(in his cabinet), klobuchar, porter, abrams, or even yang for president...what gymnastics are you doing to getting that except avoiding any of the actual substance? After a couple rounds with you, happy to be on your ignore list. Couldn't even post the article you cited in one of the few times you actually had a response with any substance. Just not a serious conversation, more of a twitter warrior who just tries to insult the messenger rather than the message and thats usually a strong point of someone having no reasonable response, so they move to the unreasonable. It is what it is, enjoy your hole. peace out alt account https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/us/politics/joe-biden-black-voters.html[/QUOTE] I have never put anybody on ignore so I don't know where you got that from. I have said plenty about your message and minimal stuff about you. You are gonna be a hit around here with your posting style, keep it up.
I'm not in disagreement with you. I'm looking at the polling and numbers, Mitch, lindsey, none of them even like trump. but the reason they are backing them is because he has the votes and polling on his side, how? It can only be explained as a cult. I've seen previous conservatives tout reasonable arguments in government efficiency, waste, fiscal responsiblity, foreign wars, when regulation is over bearing vs useful etc. all those went out the window 1-1 depending on what trump did. checks andb alances, accountability, none of that matters. its the closest we got to a monarchy with his actual children running half the country despite not being qualified or if anyone has seen jared kushners business deicisons he waas born on the 3rd base and retreated to 1st with his investments. Its disturbing to see it, but its also there. Biden was a terrible candidate, just as he had literally embrassing showings in the first two times he ran for president he never stood a chance, this year he was the centrist the best with name recognition after serving under obama and also , so so many people were just voting against trump ,whatever will get him out. so it made sense to get the cancer out or the worst of the swamp out. The election is done now. we don't have to only defend why he is a better choice than trump ,its fine to be objetive of his own disappointments and things he has said and contradicted himself, if we don't look at that then we risk the same rising that got trump unlikely elected the first time around. So I don't disagree with your points, but as we saw he is a clown adn still almost beat biden in the EC in 2020, his polling has stayedclose to the same shockingly so he is very much a threat for 2024 if people rest on their laurels nad don't demand better policy bc biden doesnt have the best track record in making the right decisions at the time, but unlike trump he is influencable, so thats why its important to put our thumb on biden and move him otherwise risk trump gaining power again...disturbing yes, but it happened before when we discounted him, and if he is back on facebook with access to the fundraising and voter data, (right now hes scheduled to get in almost 2 yetars before the next election, then theres a reason nikki haley and eveyone has already said they will step aside to consolidate behind trump)
