This....I can’t give more than one like, so I’ll just comment. LOL Miami fans: “Herro? Sorry, I can’t do that. No, it’s too much. The best I can do for you is Duncan Robinson. Take it or leave it, but I’m really indifferent.”
Traded nothing to get him, traded him for nothing Rockets just doing the world a solid bt passing it forward
Do the rockets even have a right to laugh at the heat for not offering herro? Not like we traded him for anything of value ourselves. Rockets laugh at heat, heat laugh at us for trading him for nothing
Yea they saw that and were probably laughing and licking their chops since 2020 both on oladipo's agent and miami heat FO have been leaking about mutual interest and also that while they preferred to get them now they know they can clear up enough room to be competitive in a few months and get him anyways. So we got a player with those rumors already heavily floated about since last summer, he has an expiring, we have no leverage and our backs against the wall and they gave us 2 expiring contracts and a pick exchange. they could go and get Kelly back this summer even.. Stone has done great things with young players, the trades have been lacking.
The Rox got a bunch of picks and KPJ out of the deal. That's not making out like bandits like OKC, but thats def not nothing. It's also much better than the Heat who could've had Harden but chose Herro instead let's be real.
Like saying Pelicans got Zion out of the deal, that was a seperate deal. KPJ was for basically nothing, 2nd round protected bc he was already boiling from not playing at all this season. It worked out for us, Stone seized it, we won big. But other than that, we got no tangible picks even as in nothing we know will be a lottery pick or along those lines. Its not bandits like okc, its not even comparable to what pelicans got in a similar situation an actual lottery pick, ball, ingram, hart, first two would be lottery picks any of the last couple years and josh is great too. We got sold hope, that an upcoming freshly branded new franchise with the nets who have a blank check owner won't rebuild or sustain their new found approach and success and then we get their picks and some middle schools have a strong class when we do get our pick or freshman in hs. The rest of it was expiring contracts, we missed out the chances to get even more picks with Levert over an expiring oladipo which made no sense and likewise picks for a sign and trade of Allen or even doing what we did with oladpio and showcasing him for 2 months and trading and at least getting a pick from that. So yea, are the rockets in a bad position? No we are a wall/gordon away from a pure fresh start in contracts and picks/assets and some good young players. So we'll be good, but our harden trade wasn't optimal, likewise with our oladipo and allen exchange. The KPJ is just pure freak luck, and we'll take all of that we can. As for Tyler herro, he had an incredible bubble, but really slumped this year. next year will be telling where his career will go if he can bounce back.
what we "know will be a lottery pick" is a pretty arbitrary and pointless measurement when we're talking about draft picks for the next seven years. when what we "know" only really covers this draft and arguably next year's
Exactly, my point is that its a punt and basically what we got was a' hope'. And then thats predicated on something largely out of our control and the other factors are brooklyn has a strong brand, strong market hell thats why harden/kyrie/kd wanted to be there, and an ownership harden is seeing who will foot the check and respect the details and go extra on oppose to doing it on a budget. So then even as they age or implode or whatever we hope happens, we have to hope that another star or talent will not want to go there and make their situation faster and better and arguably if a player has the same contract from the rockets in 2-3 years and brookyln, who will they choose? What we got definitively? A lot of money saved from this year with expiring contracts and then most likely mid level to late picks with some hope that the later picks are better and lottery, and then that those draft classes half a decade from now will be solid, then we make the right decisions when the draft has never been a science. We do have the picks as assets, maybe the most valuable thing is the idea of trading them for better talent or something faster which may end up being worth more than the picks itself. But thats why i compared it to pelicans, similar istuation of a superstar who is not replaceable and a franchise not in a great position with a reputation for cost cutting demanding out with leverage to a specific market. They know they got high level talent, possiblities, we got money savings that only the owner will see and then we got hope. ITsells, as i mentioned stone has done a great job finding young and unlikely talent, but its just not sincere saying this is what we got for harden. Sort of like them adding a pick swap to embellish the trade for this year that we know we wont use or how we paid an unprecedented 5 million for a 50s 2nd round pick that happened to be solid, but we paid for ariza's contract swallow. Its consistent that we will see the owner almost give any answer to anyone who still will buy his oil or used car, he contradicts himself consistently lie and points fingers whenever given the opportunity and is outspoken about it. Hopefully the rockets fans don't take this part of the culture and be mindless lemmings to justify and defend the owner who has one job as apart of this gig, finances, and has done a subpar job at his one thing at the cost of the rockets fans and even raising prices on use while doing so.
So you think Herro would fetch 4 unprotected first and 4 unprotected swaps if Miami was shopping him?
It's not a separate deal as the only reason KPJ got traded is because he flipped out when the Cavs moved his locker to the end of the bench when they got Jarrett Allen and Taurean Prince. I'd rather have KPJ over an expiring Allen so that trade def worked in Rox favor esp since they also got a pick from Detroit. Cavs paid 4 2nd round picks to get KPJ just the year before. If the Harden trade didnt involve the Cavs KPJ wouldnt flip out and the Cavs wouldnt trade him away for no good reason. I dunno what you mean by "we didnt get nothin" lol I already told you got picks and KPJ. Maybe you forgot but for NOP the only sure assets they got with AD is the top 4 Lotto pick and Jason Heart. BI had that heart/blood clot issue and people didnt know if he can still play and Lonzo has been called a bust in LA. They arent sure things they were gambles like when Rox picked Dipo over Levert. The difference is BI and Lonzo gamble worked out for NOP and Dipo gamble failed for the Rockets. Doesnt mean we didnt get nothing though, the team just failed the gamble they took. In retrospect they should have taken Levert over Dipo and Claxton over Kurucs, sometimes your gambles just dont pan out. Thats why I said the Rox didnt make out like bandits they just got ok return for 30 yr old former MVP James Harden who really only wanted 1 team to go to. Its not a crazy haul, but people here act like they didnt get anything which is just not true. All the picks of the Nets the next 7 yrs is nothing? Bro the reaso we in this mess Morey gave our picks to OKC the next 3 yrs.
Meh, you were never going to get equal value for him. I mean, yeah, we almost certainly lost the trade, but the dude desperately wanted gone and did everything he could do to make that happen. It is what it is.
I hate this thread. Show me where 4 picks and 4 pick swaps in the history of the league were used for one player. I'll wait. (Harden netted the most ever in a trade.)
