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Tensions over Palestinian evictions in East Jerusalem boil over

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaBeard, May 9, 2021.

  1. DonatelloLimestone

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    Two months ago:
    "Jared Kushner –wrote in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece that "we are witnessing the last vestiges of what has been known as the Arab-Israeli conflict."
    "He said there could be lasting Arab-Israeli peace without resolving Jewish-Palestinian differences because they were "nothing more than a real-estate dispute.""
    "I’ve been studying this now for three years. I’ve read 25 books on it"

    Kushner, was tasked with overseeing the Us/Mexico Border wall, Ending the Israeli /paletinian Conflict, Solving the opoid crisis, updating small business support, fixing the VA, Managing the nations medical stockpile and coronavirus crisis,


    Jared Kushner’s portfolio of duties is already the stuff of legend — overseeing the US-Mexico border wall, ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, solving the opioid crisis, managing the nation’s medical stockpile amid the coronavirus crisis, overhauling the Republican Party platform, and on and on.

    His qualificaitons:

    The original lori loughlin, "
    It reported that New Jersey real estate developer Charles Kushner had pledged $2.5 million to Harvard University in 1998, not long before his son Jared was admitted to the prestigious Ivy League school. At the time, Harvard accepted about one of every nine applicants. (Nowadays, it only takes one out of twenty.)

    I also quoted administrators at Jared’s high school, who described him as a less than stellar student and expressed dismay at Harvard’s decision."
    -From a book written before any of us knew who kushner was.

    =Investing in print media, buying the new york observer, right as print media had a slippery slid from the rise of the internet.

    -Buying one of the most expensive manhattan real estate projects right before the crash
    He was over a year into the administartion finally by a qatari government backed fund which paid 99 year lease rent upfront to save the building.

    "I know the best people. I know the best managers. I know the best deal makers" "I'm going to hire the best people"
    We preceedd to get Ivanka and Jared to head most of our government, then the "generals" who he says he listens to the most, a few of them along with his other hires called him Dumb and then he got mad at them for that.

    Ask for reality show level depth, get reality show level depth.
     
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  2. DonatelloLimestone

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    Peaceful nurse helping protestors, was targeted and sniped while she was not a threat, not armed. At first they denied it, then said it was an accident, then claimed she was a hamas sympathizer by butchering her interviews into propoganda, full videos release, they lied, and un called it a war crime:

    "was a Palestinian nurse/paramedic who was killed by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) while volunteering as a medic during the 2018 Gaza border protests. She was fatally hit by a bullet shot by an Israeli soldier as she tried to help evacuate the wounded near Israel's border fence with Gaza.[2][3] The IDF first denied that she was targeted, while not ruling out that she may have been hit by indirect fire.[4] Israeli human rights group B'Tselem said that al-Najjar was shot intentionally

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    The IDF released footage in which she purportedly admitted to participating in the protests as a human shield at the request of Hamas.[6][7] The video was later found to be a clip from an interview with a Lebanese television station that had been edited by the IDF to take al-Najjar's comments out of context.[6] In the unedited video, she didn't mention Hamas and called herself a "rescuing human shield to protect and save the wounded at the front lines", with everything following "human shield" trimmed out of the Israeli clip. The IDF was widely criticized for tampering with the video in order to chip away at her image.[6][7]

    According to witness testimony, al-Najjar was shot after she and other medics, walking with their hands up and wearing white vests, approached the border fence in order to treat a wounded protester.[7]

    A UN investigation, the results of which were published late February 2019, concluded that Israel may have committed war crimes in its response to the Gaza protests, saying that dozens of children, two journalists and three paramedics, including al-Najjar, were killed by Israeli soldiers despite the fact that they were easily identifiable as such and did not pose any threat to the Israelis.[8][9]"




    Now for some reason people say its either supporting hamas or israel, but I think more and more jewish people are coming along that maybe netanyahu and these policies are doing more to keep him in power, less for the good and safety of israel Sort of like america's drug war. Its not for or against, at some point you realize this is having the opposite effect of what you intended to do
     
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    Bless america. Somehow they passed actual laws infringing on your first amendment rights to even peacefully protest or boycott and make your voice heard in non violent means, but now thats showing to be unconstitutional. unchecked power is never a good thing no matter you're view of this thing
     
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    oops. looks like history repeats itself





     
  8. DonatelloLimestone

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    What they will continue to parrot and pander towards one sides integrated influence

    Interesting study this year :

    "ABSTRACTIn this study, I prove a history of bias against Palestine in a newspaper of international importance— theNew York Times— during the First and Second Palestinian Intifadas. Using state-of-the-artnatural language processing toolkits as well as a regression model with over 90% accuracy based ona carefully-validated word bank, I analyze over 33,000 NYT articles for (1) their use of active/passivevoice and (2) the objectivity, tone, and violent sentiment of the language used. I follow up myquantitative analysis with a qualitative validation step, analyzing biased articles in each period. Inconjunction with historical context, I show that anti-Palestinian bias persisted disproportionately intheNew York Timesduring both periods and, in fact, worsened from the First Intifada to the Second.Finally, I connect my findings to current events in Palestine and challenge readers to be critical of thesources they reference"

    You'll notice most have one side opinion or even a delegate or ambassador ready and relationshiped on air to add their POV, good. but not good when it misses another point of view entirely 80-90 percent of the time with no one to speak for it. Its like if you got in a car crash, they only brought one side in each time and disregarded the weight of any other perspective and parroted that in the media over 80 percent of the time, control the narrative.
    http://web.mit.edu/hjackson/www/The_NYT_Distorts_the_Palestinian_Struggle.pdf
     
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    "
    however, four Jewish House Democrats penned an open letter in which they claimed that statements accusing Israel of apartheid “are antisemitic at their core and contribute to a climate that is hostile to many Jews.” Though their names weren’t included, it was a clear rebuke of statements from Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., and other progressive members of their caucus in recent weeks.

    In response, I would ask the four drafters of the letter if I am now antisemitic for agreeing with Human Rights Watch’s 213-page report detailing how “deprivations” of Palestinian rights by Israel are now “so severe that they amount to the crimes against humanity of apartheid and persecution?” Is my award-winning MSNBC colleague Ali Velshi, who recently said — and wrote — that “the idea that it’s even remotely controversial to call what Israel has imposed on Palestinians a form of apartheid is laughable,” an antisemite as well? (Ali, incidentally, is the child of brown South African parents who left that country because of, wait for it, apartheid.)
    Is B’Tselem, an acclaimed Israeli human rights organization staffed by Jewish Israelis, antisemitic for accusing Israel of creating an “apartheid regime?” How about Yesh Din, another Israeli human rights organization staffed by Jewish Israelis? The group issued a legal opinion concluding that “the crime against humanity of apartheid is being committed in the West Bank.”

    You can, of course, agree or disagree, in good faith, with the claim that Israel is guilty of the crime of apartheid. But it’s not antisemetic; apartheid is not an insult or a trope; it is a “crime against humanity” clearly defined under international law “as inhumane acts … committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.”

    It wasn’t anti-Christian to condemn South Africa for apartheid policies and practices in the 1980s; it isn’t anti-Jewish to condemn Israel for what many believe to be apartheid policies and practices today.

    The letter from these Democratic lawmakers is yet another example of the way in which the charge of antisemitism — a serious and growing problem here in the United States — is often used and abused by defenders of Israel to protect the world’s only Jewish state from any and all criticism.


    If statements connecting Israel to apartheid are “antisemitic at their core,” how then do the letter’s signatories explain the fact that some of the Jewish state’s most senior and prominent politicians have also invoked the threat, or even the reality, of apartheid in Israel and the occupied territories?

    “I don’t think it’s possible to contain over the long term, if we don’t want to get to apartheid, a million and a half [more] Arabs inside a Jewish state” - former Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin during a TV interview in 1976.

    "If this bloc of millions of Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state." - remarks at the Herzliya security conference in 2010 from former Prime Minister Ehud Barak.

    We established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories” - op-ed for the Israeli newspaper Haaretz in 2002 from former Israeli Attorney General Michael Ben-Yair.

    “The state of Israel practices its own, quite violent, form of apartheid with the native Palestinian population.” - an op-ed by former Israeli Education Minister Shulamit Aloni for the Israeli news website Ynet in 2006.

    “On the Palestinian matter, [Benjamin Netanyahu’s] policies are leading to either a binational state or an apartheid state.” - Meir Dagan, a former head of the Mossad spy agency, in a TV interview with Channel 2 in 2015.
     
  10. Buck Turgidson

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    I'd love to hear more Man on the Street from "Jewish Settler", I'd also love to hear from "Palestinian Resident"
     
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    It always does but which part are you talking about?
     
  12. tinman

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    Why can’t Saudi Arabia or Turkey give the Palestinians land ?
    I mean subtract all the religious stuff
    And it’s just land.
    Jews and Palestinians in America move all the time . Like all of them saving taxes by moving south away from cities like New York and San Francisco where homeless people run around attacking folk
     
  13. Ubiquitin

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    Because they’re Palestinians. Their home is Palestine. It would be like saying give away part of South Korea for people in Taiwan being pushed out by the inevitable invasion by the Chinese.
     
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    As 50 said:

    There is nothing there. Time to leave that place.
     
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    I think there idea is they want to remain in the land that say if you lived in this house, your grandfather lived here, your father lived here...this is home, so they don't want a free ticket out.

    A lot of the way the settlements work is under the guise of the israeli govt saying 'everything goes through a legal process', that sounds good but it usually has these homes designated of importance for the military or history. kicked out/evicted, then some time later it gets approved for new settlements. you seem proud of houston/texas, imagine if your kids kid who also considers it home has all their rights and utilities controlled, their own homes seized by legal 'court', then built over and now in the same neighborhood kids arent sfe, hospitals and schools shot down, no access to anything imports medicine, just a few pictures of grandpa@tinman proudly wearing a houston shirt so the emotional connection is there, thats it


    Israel controls all the electricity for gaza, peopel who tried using solar panels have had them ripped off the roof. Israel controls the water, it also controls the ins and outs of any medicine. Then while also saying they had to bomb schools and hospitals making basic goods even less available. You can't leave or enter gaza without check points ,essentially the peopel there who have lived there for generations live in an open air conditions with options for civil services becoming less and less available. Hamas is terrible, but the last 8 years in the usa also showed people one way or another had someone they strongly disagree with here too. And in any hostage situation would they say sorry we had to shoot the 45 kids, the bad guy was hiding behind them. Israel like any country has the right to defend itself especialyl form some terrible actions, btu there are reasons we have the war crimes and war rules for unique creulty that we cite with Syria, shuold site with Saudi/Yemen, should cite with China/Ughuirs or even hong kong, likewise in burma too. Its an indicment of a government in netanyahu that has already been charged by his own people and party of corruption. Israel can do better than him.
     
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    It use to be the Ottoman Empire way way back

    and Korea and Taiwan use to be something else way way back in the day

    From human history day 1 , there was no countries

    humans die
    The land is still there and it will be there until extinction
     
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    Ottomans governed. Arabs governed. Romans governed. Greeks governed. Persians governed. Babylonians governed.

    But the people who lived there still lived there up until 1948. The people who lived there adopted Arab culture like the rest of the Levant during Arab rule, but they’re the same Palestinians who lived there from the beginning until the UK said well now it’s Israel and Palestine good luck and Jewish people from Europe and Asia moved into the newly appointed Jewish state.
     
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    We are not going to reach type 1 civilization in our lifetime with this religious and land issues



    secular or no religion society will move the humans forward
     
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    Why can’t we just give native Americans some land in Oklahoma?
     
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    At least they know the star people are real
     

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