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Can Steph carry his own team thread.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jiggyfly, Dec 22, 2020.

  1. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Member

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    you know how to f*kin add?
     
  2. RHU525

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    Lol the Rockets sucking was just to prove my point that this shoulda been one of the easiest years to make it. How can you not see that? A perennial 50-60 win team in the past going to last place makes it easier to win.

    I can name a bunch of other teams. Look at OKC rosters, look at what the Pelican trotted out against the Warriors. Look Cleveland, Orlando, Minnesota. All Easy wins which should help the Warriors make the playoffs easily.

    They played the lakers without AD and Lebron.
    Played Minnesota multiple times without KAT and Russell.
    Played Toronto without Lowry.
    Played Celtics without Jaylen Brown.
    Played Portland without Nurk and McCollum.
    played Philly without Embiid. And then without Simmons.
    Played bucks without Giannis,
    Played Dallas without Porzingis.
    Played Utah without Mitchell and Conley.
    Played the kings without DeAron Fox.
    played Denver without Jamal Murray.
    Played nets pre Harden.

    I get that Klay was out but they played plenty of games this year against teams also missing stars which shoulda have helped them easily make the playoffs. If he could carry a team this woulda been the year to make the playoffs. He shoulda been no lower than a 4 seed with the amount of injuries in the league even if he played with 4 g leaguers. Harden woulda had four g leaguers as the 1 seed.

    And that's not even counting all the role players that missed games against them. And got replaced by g leaguers and there were a ton.
     
  3. Zboy

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    Yup.

    It's particularly damning that Curry could not carry the Warriors to the playoffs this season of all seasons.

    West was weak this season. Jazz are the top seed lol.
     
  4. steddinotayto

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    Without his All-Star level supporting cast Steph Curry is just Damian Lillard without a rap career. Actually he's not even a Lillard as Dame's been carrying average teams to the playoffs for a while now.
     
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  5. vlaurelio

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    yeah in carrying teams to the playoffs

    Harden >>>>> Lilliard >>>>> Curry
     
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  6. Madano

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    Outside of his shooting, Curry's most elite skill is his movement off-ball. I'm not sure why it should even be too controversial to say that he would be worse at carrying a team than other superstars. But I do think Curry fits better next to basically any other superstar, as seen in the GSW championship years.
     
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  7. vlaurelio

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    having to play with a superstar and multiple superstars always make it easier

    Harden with KD Klay and Green with still be champs and Steph and CP3 will struggle to make the playoffs
     
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  8. YOLO

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    cp3 doesn't struggle to make the playoffs. we've already seen he can lead teams to make the playoffs for years because he simply impacts winning. He's been in the playoffs since he turned 22. and hes still doing it now after folks said hes definitely washed while still making all nba and all star teams. It's always been taking the next step and going deep. And we've seen he can go deep when paired next to a guy like harden. damn shame that pair was broken up
     
  9. wekko368

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    Not when a perennial lottery team (Suns) becomes a contender in the same season. How can you not see that?

    And this also helps the other 8 western conference playoff teams in the same way. How can you not see that?

    False. Lebron played in all 3 LAL/GSW matchups.

    Minnesota was one of the worst teams in the league, and even they managed to beat the GSW without Oubre.

    The Warriors faced Toronto once without Lowry, and Curry didn't play in that game. GSW lost by 53.

    Boston still had Tatum, Kemba Walker, and Marcus Smart; The Warriors were also missing Oubre. As bad as he was offensively, he was still a defensive contributor. Despite missing Brown, Boston was still favored to win that game (-3).

    That's true for one game, but Oubre was out, and Portland still had plenty of offensive firepower with Kanter, Carmelo, and Gary Trent. Before the game, GSW was a 1 point favorite. This demonstrates how bad the GSW supporting cast was. A depleted Portland team was only a 1 point underdog.

    GSW played Philly twice. They won the first and lost the second. Curry didn't play in the second game. In the first game, Simmons was out and Philly was a 4.5 point favorite. GSW won because Curry scored 49 points on 73.6% TS.

    Bucks were 2.5 point favorites.

    GSW were 4 point favorites, but they lost despite Curry scoring 27 pts on 68.3% TS. Wiggins, Draymond Green, Oubre, and Poole combined to shoot 8-36 from the field.

    Jazz were 2 point favorites.

    And GSW won by 4 with Curry scoring 37 points on 71.6% TS. Not really a testament to the strength of the GSW supporting cast, is it?

    Nuggets were 3 point favorites.

    Nets pre-Harden were stacked. It's ridiculous that you included them. Durant, Irving, Dinwiddie, Levert, and Joe Harris. Stacked

    Teams were missing stars against the Warriors, and the Warriors were still often the underdogs. What does that tell you?

    Laughable. So GSW had to play against opponents who had G-Leaguers playing spot minutes. So what? GSW has 3 former G-Leaguers playing consistent rotational minutes.
     
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    I think I am on the fence with them being a top 3 West team, because of the Jazz, Nuggets, Suns, Clippers, Mavs, and Lakers. We still also have to look at what Memphis, NO, and a few other teams may do. Even if we discount the Clippers (if Kawhi leaves) or Lakers (injuries or Lebron retires), they are at best 4th - 6th place team.

    I feel like if Curry at MVP level can't get them into the playoffs in the weaker part of the Western Conference. They may not be as good as advertised coming back, next year.

    Though, I think alot will depend on who they draft and how quickly that player comes in produce. I'm pretty sure they will trade Oubre or Wiggins (who was pretty consistent) with their current draft pick.
     
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    People, find a spouse to love you irrationally like Wekko loves Curry, it's true love that will cover all your mistakes and ride or die with you, even if (like Curry) you clearly don't deserve it.
     
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    If Paul wasn’t so injury prone he would have had a ring in 2018
     
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  13. apollo33

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    truth of the matter is, when you are talking about raising the floor, you need to be able to do things with the ball in your hands and create. That's why players like Lebron, Harden, and now Luka are true carries.

    Curry is special though because he's so damn good off ball, but he is a ceiling raiser rather than a floor raiser.
     
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    I like curry but strip him off of refs help and he wins only 1 title if any
     
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    Wekko carrying like a mo fo
     
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  16. wekko368

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    Irrational love? Can you name a single irrational compliment I've given him? It's more that I'm defending against irrational hate.
     
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  17. apollo33

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    I don't know how many times have you posted about Curry in the past year. how many of those posts contain any criticism.

    I haven't seen anyone defend a player since LOF's
     
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  18. jiggyfly

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    Well the that playmaking BS is top of mind.
     
  19. clos4life

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    You'll take a bullet for your hero! Such irrational love! I love it!
     
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  20. wekko368

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    I explained that I include off-ball playmaking as part of "playmaking".

    Limiting "playmaking" to on-ball is outdated. What's the purpose of playmaking? Does Curry achieve this result through his off-ball activity? If so, that's playmaking.
     

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