Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

Right is right and wrong is wrong, sometimes it's not about how things would play out in a normal court of law and as you know a Senate impeachment trial is very different from whatever you're accustomed to.

 

...keep that idealism, sir.

...it's the only thing that will save any of us.

...if saving is what any of us truly deserve.

 

From a Congressional standpoint the goal is to ultimately protect the Republic and the constitution from a tyrant overthrowing the government to install themselves as a dictator. It’s that that level of which the mission statement is in a Congressional Special Committee is appointed.

The Warren Report. The 9/11 commission. It’s at that level that this committee is intended to be appointed to. Of course you go into an investigation like this with an open mind following the facts... but to say that it should be about “getting” Trump is like saying that the 9/11 commission shouldn’t focus on Bin Laden and the Warren Report should not focus on Lee Harvey Oswald. Except in this case it’s even more obvious than those other two special committees.

So the threat was and has always been Trump. He is the only factor that matters in what happened January 6th because he is the bullet that pierces our Democracy if that day is successful. He’s the plane that crashes into the twin towers.

But if I was appointed as the lead investigator here I would still start from the bottom up and work my way to wherever it needed to go, but can an investigation have a more obvious conclusion??? January 5th you don’t think Trump was in charge of that meeting with the likes of Roger Stone? Are we just going to gloss over the dozens now defendants already charged who said they did it because the president ordered them to do so??

I mean come on man.

 

Come on man what?

Do you think taking down Trump all we need to protect the Republic.

No i don't think Trump was in charge because Trump is a freakin idiot and he has a multitude of people who just do **** to try an impress him.

I don't know why you think I am trying to gloss over anything or taking Trump out of the equation, I just don't want to focused on getting Trump and not finding out everything that happened that day because I sure as hell know that Trump does not have acumen or knowledge to coordinate all of this.

The fact that you think Trump major threat and that he is not just a symptom or side effect shows you have not been paying attention.

Do you think if he is locked up everything will be ok?

No you come on man.

 

manchin and synema are "imploring" republican senators to support a May 6 commission...

 

Autocracy is the gun that commits the crime in this case and the overarching case that’s threatening our democracy. But Trump is the bullet in this case and like in an investigation you need to examine that bullet. Terrorism was the threat during 9/11 but Bin Laden was the subject of the 9/11 commission.

Right now we need to shore up our democracy that is in dire threat to autocracy. The case at hand and the current threat is Trump who just tried to attempt a coup in broad daylight. To not spend a little bit of time explaining what this man did and showing a little justice to those who come next behind Trump would be Democratic malpractice. You are just going to allow for a white wash that minimizes what the next guy attempts.

Stop being so sensitive here too dude. I’ve seen you get all worked up with many people who are typically well intentioned when discussing anything with you. It’s a serious topic but don’t get so personally worked up.

 

They spiteful!!

Wuttabout forgiveness and healing!?!?!

 

The reluctance of the Republican leadership and the rank and file to have a genuine bipartisan investigation into the events of January 6th and what led up to it is remarkable. All one has to do is watch, again, the statement of Mitch McConnell from 3 months ago. Watch the full 20 minutes or just the first few, if the truth is simply more than you can bear.

How McConnell can say what he is saying now, as if he never spoke what he said mere weeks ago, is a form of mental gymnastics that takes the breath away, or should from someone with an open mind that’s willing to face the truth.

 

That party disgusts me more and more each day. It's at the point of no return now. They have dug themselves so deep in Trump's BS they are stuck wallowing in it like a bunch of filthy pigs.

 

Unlike Lib tears, Cons start tearing up when prison terms are handed out.

 

Let’s hope justice prevails and they have reason to cry.

 

Where are we on the Susan Collins Concern-O-Meter? Things bad enough to consider a strongly worded letter?

 

I’m tempted to post, “The b**** sucks,” but that would be impolite on my part. At this point I expect nothing from Collins. Zero.

 

Collins the power broker now. She can even lay low until after 2022

 

https://bangordailynews.com/2021/05...mmission-plan-changed-with-gop-turning-on-it/

 

When reading jiggy, I think you have to just filter the initial rhetorical, gobsmacked questions like "What in the hell are you even talking about?" and "Come on man what?" and then, after a deep breath, try to get to his content.

 

Where are you getting me being sensitive is that a thing now to try and put somebody on their heels?

I just replied to your post and somehow that's me being sensitive? You are the one all worked about getting Trump not me it seems you are doing a lot of projection.

You have rarely seen me get worked up about anything on here and I take nothing personal in here are you projecting again?

Now as for the subject, I have no idea why you keep implying that people want to white wash anything and you never answered my question do think "getting" Trump shores up our democracy?

Do you think "getting" Trump solves everything?

 

I only save those for certain people.

 

Not sure why my point isn't crystal clear.

Getting Bin Laden didn't solve terrorism, but the pursuit and investigation of 9/11 helped our country understand terrorism networks better, what their motivations are, and how to better plan for the next terrorist attack.

Investigating Trump's coup is important in that same vein. We are knocking on the doorstep of the US becoming an autocratic nation of minority rule, and we need to help our nation and Democracies around the world understand how we got to where we did with Trump so we can shore up our Democratic infrastructure the same way that pursuing Bin Laden hopefully helped understand terrorist networks that hopefully made our country safer (argue that particular outcome if you want). As much as I want to move on from Trump the fact is if we don't deal with who this man was and how he exploited our system to almost overthrow democracy, it's imperative that he's dealt with, and properly investigated, or someone will come right behind him using the same playbook but this time with greater success.

And yes, you might not see it, but you come off as overly sensitive. It's like trying to debate with Basketballhollic/Jopat about D-Mo vs TJones sometimes with you. Even when you virtually agree on everything, you freak out when someone isn't verbatim in agreement with every single bullet point. People can offer differing takes that agree mostly, but have important variables to discuss. It's okay. Relax.

 

The fact that want this investigation to be called Trump's coup shows a bit of TDS, I am advocating for a full investigation of everything yet your issue with me was because I did not want to focus mainly on Trump.

Don't take this the wrong way but I could less than a **** about how you think I come off, I am sure posters could say the same about you.

I mean you are the one feeling some kind of way because Trump is not on my hit list, you are the one that needs to chill the way you keep ramping everything up as a threat to the Republic.

How do you propose we deal with him?

The committee will be investigating everything yet for some reason you came at me because I think Trump is just a part of the problem, why is that?