Should History Class Not Stress That Our Culture Is Dominated By Western Civilization Values

Oh yeah, good book. I've got my dad's copy of it around here somewhere.

The town of Smithwick is pretty much across the river from our place in Burnet County. The guy we're more directly related to was his cousin or nephew (Hubbel or Hubbard, can't remember) and after Noah got the hell out of town was lynched by the Confederates and thrown in Dead Man's Hole (lots of bodies down there, apparently, and not just Union sympathizers), which is about a mile from our ranch.

 

How do we feel about whether german schools should teach an honest account of Nazi germany and the Holocaust?

And how the hell is that any different — IF we are being intellectually honest — from the question of whether American public schools should teach an honest account of slavery, native Americans, internment of Japanese, etc.

of course, there is no difference. It is a question of intellectual honesty/dishonesty.

 

he actually talks about him in his book. i think he had two relatives who were assassinated by confederates in texas. smithwick was living around burnet and got some death threats so headed to california with a group of unionists right after texas seceded. he lived to the late 1890's and never came back to texas.

 

Smithwick's downriver toward Austin from Marble Falls, that's where his mill was after he sold Mormon Mill here in town. He was working at the fort in Burnet when he first moved to the county, though. After a quick search...I stand corrected: it's his nephew Hubbard who's our relative, and they threw his body in one of the creeks near the mill, not Dead Man's Hole.

I need to read that book again, it's been years.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/dead-mans-hole

 

Nice

Peep Show is a classic.

 

I teach World History now and I had to check if the Civil War was taught and in HS US history starts after 1877, the more you know. Its taught in the 8th grade up until 1877.

It seems that's and arbitrary cut off point and its 3 years later, you take world geography 9th grade, world history 10th grade and U.S. history 11th grade and its after reconstruction.

I did teach about the Civil War in 7th grade Texas History.

 

I have not heard that about western values and values are not really taught in school and should not be.

 

not sure that you mean what you say here. maybe you could clarify? how are values 'not' taught in school? serious question.

 

U.S. became a corporation in 1871. I hope they are teaching the kids that.

 

ehm excuse me..Ignorant foreigner here.

WTF are you teaching in your history classes to kids?
Values and morals? What is this ..sociology or history exactly??
There's SO much historical facts and events to cover that a student barely can get any idea of the flow of the past and you are wasting time teaching values?

Also values are not simply dichotomised into 'western' and 'eastern' etc But about the TIME.

The so called western values in 1900s, 1800s, 1700s 1600s and before are night and day to the "western values" of today.

Most people with western values in the 1500s would be thrown straight in jail today for being antisocial extremists.

 

Maybe we should stick with the basics...reading, writing, arithmetic, science, and history.

 

agreed, the issue is history. Depending on who you ask they want to not right abotu history, but a perception. Its like bill barr said, the winner writes the history. This isn't some are you patriotic or not, its fundamental in america coming from king george that we are able to understand the flaws, humanity, and fallibility of some politicians/celebs throghout history that got it wrong and under the guise of 'don't question america' made it so you don't question 'me'. Its a democracy, only effective if our populace is informed and educated on both the pros and cons so we don't repeat history and can make sound decisions to better form a more perfect union.

Somehow its gone to the idea that patriotism, especially the irony of american patriotisim, is based on not questioning critisizing, or acknowledging that we have had politicians who've failed. Its an odd thing while trump says " you think our country is innocent"
Then demands any of the critics of our policy of 'not loving america' and go back to your country if you don't like it.

Same guy who demands that we call out terrorism as islamic or something, same people say you don't love america if you call out some politicians who didn't do a great job for the people's benefits.

same people who shouted out you're unpatriotic and not suppporting our troops if you critique the suits who made the decisions of war and put our troops and families in harm way for just following orders now shout down that war as a mistake, making no mention of loyalty or troops anymore.

same people who made a law for any riots injuring federal property to carry a strong minimum sentence didn't like when that was applied to the capital or michigan state building protest.

same people say support our cops and boys in blue when they move on up to Fbi, cia which is often taken from cops and former soldiers, its fine to say they are betraying our people.

The consistency you'll see is that its all self serving and deflective towards critical, objective, independent talk.

Teach them the truth, make it more of a debate to teach critical thinking rather than nodding along when you're 'side' is talking

 

If there is one value to be taught in history lessons is simply the importance of history. Know of history to know your future. History repeats itself and we should study it to learn from the mistakes of the past. That's the most important value that needs to be taught to the children.

So when they grow up they will continue to study it and learn on their own.

There is not one history. History isn't written only by the winners but also by the losers.

That's why history lessons in school is being used by all countries worldwide to soft brainwash their population and instill national pride and identity to their future citizens.

Everyone is portraying themselves as the innocent victim. The enemy is the perpetrator and the nation is the righteous defender. Slaughterings and "shameful" deeds are either completely ommited or ephemously mentioned and quickly swept under the rug.

I have gotten to know of many examples.
Belgium history books make not one reference to their colonial african past so now Belgians were very surprised and shocked when a museum was opened about it. Wow we had no idea

UK history books have no mention about the exploitation and systemic cultural extermination of the english to the irish, welsh scotts and celts. So when an article pops out with testimonies of even living victims you have englishmen " that can't be right. You are exaggerating that's not what we learned".

Japanese history books take the cake and seem to be extremely out of touch. To the point that japanese youth barely learn anything about WW2 and they end up dressing up in nazi costumes and using swastikas as greetings.

I once read a reddit thread about people from the balkans comparing their history books from school about their common recent history aka the last 200 years. 2 balkan wars 2 world wars.What a shock everyone was the innocent victim who stood up against the enemy. Slaughterings of women and small children? Extermination of whole villages? Never heard of it.

Show me your history book to see what kind of national identity your country wants to shape for you.

 

In history they are not taught.

 

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Some of us learned values the hard way, with a paddle or belt hitting our ass. In Texas it's still legal to do in schools.

 

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